My Ranking Points
@blondieonfire – 15 – 15 (I promise I didn’t purposely give you the exact same score but it’s great that worked out)
@ginnypotter12 – 18 – 19 (WOW)
@larkofwoodsbeyond – 10
@sandol – 8
@anadil777– 6 – 7
@Claraofnutcracker402 – 10
@annieJ – 6 – 1
@CCXinYiofWoodsBeyond – 8
@sportsgirl19 – 10 – 8
@princezzdot – 11
@lilybug567 – 15
@ladyofthebooksge – 20
@raynaevil809 – 8 – 8
@lunalyra22 – 12 – 12 (woah, two more double scores)
@everafter2007 – 2
First of all, so sorry this is so late!! Maybe it’s still Monday for some of you? Probably not. I have an AP test coming up and I have been freaking out and studying. Anyway, ranks are up for the last two weeks. You guys did AWESOME on both and I still have almost 70 notifications to clear.
So today we’re doing something similar but different. We’re going to do an argument of sorts?
I think we’re all familiar with Disney’s The Little Mermaid. If not, you’re in quarantine and have plenty of time to watch it! Or listen to the musical! Or read the Wikipedia summary! Definitely recommend.
Now, Ariel is somewhat controversial. Is she breaking common gender stereotypes, going after her prince instead of letting him save her. Others say she fits into the stereotype of a girl who falls in love with a guy and can do nothing else but go after him.
What do you think of Ariel? Independent princess or lovesick damsel? (You can’t say both. Pick a side!)
You’re job is to state your position and support it. You don’t get any extra points for commenting on anyone else’s, but you do get extra points if you can manage to provoke me into arguing with you and do a good job.
Well, I agree with Soman. Ariel is a disobedient, lovesick, Disney-cheated-so-she-won-her-movie princess. Love sick Damsel all the way. Also, HOW IS URSULA THE VILLAIN? She was just living her best life and then Ariel came an disturbed HER. Just because Ursula has great negotiation tactics doesn’t make her a villain. If it does, that means every person who has ever sold anything is one too. So yes, I’m team “lovesick damsel” who got HERSELF into distress.
Personally, I think that Ariel plays into independant princess stereotype, however controversial that opinion may be. To the point of the independent princess, she didn’t grow legs just so she could go find Eric, she grew legs for herself. As supported by the famous song, Part of Your World, she specifically mentioned how much she wanted to travel to land for the experiences she wanted to go through herself. So while the ultimate reason that was frontly portrayed in the movie was that she wanted to go to land for her prince, I’m certain that one of the deciding factors was so that she’d be able to go to land and see fire, streets and feel what it’s like to dance on your own two feet. And to your point, Eric never did anything, defying the whole stereotype of the damsel in distress, as she never really had a prince that came to save her in the end.
Plus, she is greatly underestimated by everyone throughout the whole movie. Her family finds her to be too rompy, the rest of the kingdom thinks she’s too young and immature to rule. Still, she continually defies those stereotypes by being brave enough to travel where no merperson had traveled before. While she may have been a bit lovey-dovey for Eric throughout the movie, she continually broke many stereotypes that would be considered of the “lovesick damsel” which is why I believe her to be the independent princess.
Well, technically it was because she stole pretended to be Ariel and make Eric marry her so she could keep Ariel’s soul forever.
Okay, but Ursula never did anything to him exactly. Luc, I respect your opinions, but I strongly disagree with you on this one.
That’s a fair point, though how would you feel if someone impersonated someone you had fallen in love with just to find out it was some random person you never met that stole the voice of your S/O?
I suppose that’s true, but it’s also Ursula’s fault for taking advantage of Ariel.
But honestly? If you were just chilling in your cave and someone bothered you, I don’t think anyone would just GIVE them what they wanted. Ursula is the only witch, so umm supply and demand. She can have a SERIOUS upcharge. Villains need to eat, too.
Well she eats the souls that came her way that she stole through unfair means
Well. I suppose we’re debating Ursula’s merits over here? Not exactly the prompt but this looks like fun.
Ursula is the villain not because of what she did, but her motives for it. Remember, Ariel didn’t just appear in Ursula’s cave to bother her. Flotsam and Jetsam brought her there on Ursula’s orders so she could use her to bargain with King Triton for the crown. Ariel was in emotional distress so I don’t think the whole extortion thing was exactly her fault.
Eric killed Ursula because she was holding Ariel and was on the verge of drowning everyone and such, being queen of the seas and all, so I wouldn’t call that no reason exactly.
I think that Ariel was a lovesick princess, as well. For one thing, she never really made any attempts to go and see the world that she dreamed about until she met Eric. Actually, “met” is the wrong word here. She saved him after a storm and decided that she was in love with him because he was incredibly good-looking, which is not a valid reason to deal with a sorceress just to get legs so that you can live on land with him. But, I digress.
Ariel was fascinated with the land-dwelling world, but she didn’t care about it enough to try to visit until she “fell in love.” This makes her more of a lovesick princess because she was only willing to risk everything when she met a handsome prince. She hadn’t exchanged a single word with Eric for nearly the entire movie, since her voice was stolen by Ursula.
Ignoring the unreasonable definition of what passes for true love here, Ariel is a go-getter, no doubt about that. However, what she goes and gets is not a new, exciting life on land, but rather a prince she has been pining after since the night she rescued him.
Just because it seems like she is breaking stereotypes by rescuing her prince and chasing after him, it’s really just another lovelorn maiden who ended up making a large mistake.
That’s not being an independent woman, that’s just finding a new and inventive way for a prince to rescue you.
Agreed! Also, I feel like I haven’t seen you in a while. But yes, I agree.
I apologize if some of my facts are wrong, I haven’t seen this movie since I was six and I know the original fairy tale better
I think Ariel played more of the “independent princesses” stereotype, (she does have the “lovesick traits too, but I think her independence overpowers that.) this is especially true for the original tale, because the little mermaid was in love with the prince, BUT she wanted to marry him for not just love, but her own benefit. (In the original tale, she was trying to get a soul so she could go to the “afterlife”. (The original book explains this a bit.) Ariel relied mostly on herself, and the generosity of the prince. I think this is more important depending on what you consider a defining factor of being lovesick. She spent a great majority of her time with the prince, but she also had her own life.
1. She saved the prince on her own accord. Whether that be for love or not, it’s still her own act trying to save someone.
2. The prince is more of the damsel in distress in both the film and book. Ariel has more of a princely role, and her personality is where she will do what she can when others won’t do it for her. Surely that’s a form of independence?
3. In the book, the mermaid chooses to die rather than kill the prince. Some may argue this is because she can’t find it in herself to kill that of which she loves, but she could go back to the sea, and save herself to find love later in life. She made a selfless choice, and I think this was partly to leave the prince and his new wife in peace, and happiness. And I think this was her act of letting him go.
Movie Ariel however, is 100000% lovesick. I didn’t know if we were talking about the book or the movie, so I’m talking about both.
Ariel does everything based on her love for Aric. She’s completely obsessed with him, and basically sold her soul because she wanted to marry someone. And then, she sinks into self pity when Aric wants to marry someone else.
So in conclusion: if we’re talking about book Ariel, I’m on the independent side. If we’re talking about movie Ariel, I’m on lovesick.
If we’re talking about both…. I guess lovesick? Movie Ariel kinda overpowers the whole thing.
Oh my gosh you wrote Aric instead of Eric and Aric is that crazy evil guy from SGE and it was all I could do to keep from laughing after thinking about that couple.
I think Ariel is more independent then the typical lovesick princess. She wasn’t like Snow White who just stayed in the same spot singing about her prince; she went and did all she could trying to convince her father and even going to the witch for help. Also, before she met Eric, Ariel already kind of rebelled by collecting human things and dreaming about going to the land. It was against the law, but Ariel still went after her wishes and dreams and tried her best. She was so successful, and in the second movie about Ariel and Eric’s kid, Melody, Ariel went after her daughter into the unknown and acted as herself, not someone saying so.
I agree with him, Ariel is du.mb and stupid. She really did just randomly fall in love (love in first sight) okay my brain is not working I can’t write moremaybe later
My thoughts are that, though she may be love sick, she is independent none the less. When she grew legs she really did it for herself because SHE wanted to see the world above her but falling in love was just a little perk. Although her decisions may not be that rational it’s not like she gave up her voice to find the love of her life, she gave up her voice in exchange to see the things she’s admired and studied all her life more in depth. That’s another way you could call her independent, the way she studies the things she finds. Although Disney princesses are becoming more and more independent as time goes on she’s one of the few who has studied something and then even given up a part of herself to research it more. She basically sacrificed herself for science. Disney most definitely understates these points and constructed their adaptation to make you see the version where she sacrifices her voice for a boy but if you look closer you may see that she is truly a woman of science, a pioneer! And i think that is what should really be at the forefront of the movie and is why I believe she is truly an independent woman who just happens to be in love.
WHAT’S up I was spoeing on your activity and found this and WOW y’all are good at this stuff
You might wanna change Av’s tag to @/r3eader1616-av
Just trying to help!
Oh she got a new username? I had no idea, thank you. Welcome to my activity, Agent 107. Glad to have you. Oh wait do you want your ranks from the last two weeks?
You got a 10 – 8
I was going to add you to the list anyway just to give them to you but you said you didn’t want to be on the tag list so I took you off.
I think Ariel is very independent. I mean, she:
-Saved her prince
-Sacrificed her voice for her prince
that I don’t remember
Those things aren’t stereotypical princess actions. And while Ariel might have been a bit princessy (loving a super-handsome prince, just acting girly and stuff), you can tell that she’s pretty independent.
(this argument is lame, sorry XD)
Ariel, or the little mermaid has qualities of both independent and lovesick princesses, and I will be talking about both the fairy tale and the Disney movie.
Ariel was always curious about the human world and wanted to see and know more about them. Her collection of human objects were both mentioned in the book and the movie, and I love how she has a passion for learning. However, the main reason that she chose to be a human is because that she saw the Prince, and fell in love with his looks. Her rescue of the Prince has to do with the fact that he might die if she wouldn’t save him, and i’m sure that she would save the prince even though he was not attractive. Her desire to be close with the humans and learn more about the world above played a huge part of making the deal with the witch. Finally she gave up her voice to be on land and gain a soul by the Prince loving her. However,the prince marries a different woman and she throws herself into the water since she cannot kill him. At the end, she becomes a spirit of the wind.
Ariel has a lot of independent qualities. But that does not change that she is lovesick nevertheless. The animated movie version of her was all lovesick as much of her actions were fueled by the Prince. She still has her interest of the human world but the Prince takes up most of it. If she was not as immense with the Prince, I feel lile she would not had made that deal. The book also tells us that she stopped tending her garden and was really sad since the Prince didn’t notice has as his saviour, and that her only condolence was hugging the statue of the boy who kinda looked like him. Despite her independent qualities she is very lovesick and your classic princess. The way that her meeting and thoughts about the Prince were shown and written in both the movie and book seems to emphasize the romance rather than her independence. In conclusion, she is a lovesick princessss with her own strengths and interests. I really hope her independent and curious qualities were written in better and I agree with @/anniej with that. Both sides have valid reasonings that can be supported from the original story and movie. This makes it more of an interesting debate, and I feel like I’m in the middle but leaning towards lovesick. Her more independent qualities were being overshadowed by her attitude towards the prince.
Hey, Royal Power gang!
The teachers are taking a short break to catch up on grading and pull together class captains, but I’d like to hold you over with some shout outs to the awesome anonymous people in my class.
Firstly, to the Mx. Anonymous who has 102 points! *applause*
Secondly, to the (different) Mx. Anonymous who has gotten three 20s in my class! *applause*
And finally to the three (different from those two above) people who have never missed a challenge! *tons of applause*
*clap clap clap*
Great job, Mx. Anonymous, Mx. Anonymous, an d the 3 peeps who never missed a single challenge!!