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My life is a lie: “Tom Holland is the youngest actor (at nineteen) to be cast as Peter Parker. His predecessors, Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield, were twenty-five and twenty-six, respectively, when they were cast.” ~ IMDb
Did I mention I finally got to see Homecoming yesterday? I loved it, Tom Holland is such a wonderful Spidey! I don’t want him to be Rafal anymore, I need him to be him. (but scheduling conflicts…)
Also the Runaways series is going to be connected to the MCU apparently, great, I’m still waiting to see shots of Old Lace.
Some people say that Vision will be killed off. Smashing him to get the Infinity Stone seems like something Thanos might do.
In the first Vol. 2 teaser, Rocket Raccoon tries to instruct Baby Groot in the safe handling of some sort of explosive device. Rocket turns around to have a conversation with Star-Lord, and when he looks back at Baby Groot, the tiny tree is running off with the bomb while shouting his signature phrase, “I am Groot.” Obviously, this moment is played for big laughs in the trailer, but Groot running off with a bomb may indicate he’s returning to his roots (so to speak).
In the comics, Groot made his first appearance in 1959, in Tales to Astonish #13, and he’d be virtually unrecognizable to fans of his MCU incarnation. The Groot of this comic is massive, very talkative, and obsessed with what all the era’s aliens were obsessed with: kidnapping humans and experimenting on them. Baby Groot running off with the bomb may indicate a return to mad science…and a surprisingly villainous turn.
According to director James Gunn, the desire to sell “toys and figures and plushies” was not the “driving force” for Baby Groot, and that it served an important story point. What could this mean? Maybe Baby Groot might even oppose our heroes at some point. As mentioned before, Groot’s first comic appearance featured him as a human-hating alien, and if Groot has been returned to a time before he developed his warmer and fuzzier side, then he may indulge those dark impulses. And it would likely tickle James Gunn’s more perverse impulses to make the cutest and most marketable of characters into something that tries to kill our heroes.
There are few things Groot is more famous for than his simple catchphrase: “I am Groot.” With the touching exception of the one time he said “we are Groot,” the phrase “I am Groot” seems to be all he can say. Rocket can seemingly understand complex dialogue from his walking tree friend, but so far, he seems to be the only one.
It’s entirely possible, though, that this will change with Baby Groot. According to Marvel Comics, Groot is actually saying a great many different words or phrases. However, everything comes out sounding like “I am Groot” thanks to the fact that his larynx has become hardened with age. Since Baby Groot is literally being regrown from a single twig, his body parts will have a relatively younger age. Theoretically, this means that Groot should be able to articulate a great many different words or phrases. It’s possible that this is the reason Groot was so talkative in his very first Marvel Comics appearance and so monosyllabic when he appeared again decades later, as his larynx hardened over time.
Question, I’m not sure if you’ve seen volume two, but wasn’t there an after credtis scene with a more kid/teen Groot (still just saying “I am Groot”) and Starlord seemingly to have learned how to understand it?
The director confirmed that Quill can communicate with the talking tree.
“Peter Quill obviously does understand Adolescent Groot at the end of the movie,” Gunn said. “As for the other Guardians, we’ll have to wait and see.”
The version of Groot seen in the post-credits tag has been billed as Teen Groot by many fans online already but Gunn says the team has a different name for him.
“One other minor misconception is people think that’s Teen Groot at the end of the movie,” Gunn said. “It’s actually Adolescent Groot. I would call him Tween Groot. We call him Adolescent Groot. He’s not quite a teenager yet and, yes, Peter Quill can understand him.”
Groot talks to Jean Grey (a.k.a. Phoenix):
What he means: ‘You’re like a little sun beaming with eternal life and energy. To just walk among you and feel the glory of your spirit as it cascades from one to another would be my greatest honor. Instead, I have sworn to help protect you in any way I can, for if I could live the rest of my days knowing that I have made the earth a little safer and your lives a little happier I know that I have life worth living. Except for the Latverians. I really don’t like them.’
What Jean Grey hears: ‘I am Groot.’
Groot’s like me in social places: I can have these deep, brilliant thoughts, but I usually end up saying something awkward and kind of irrelevant.
One unforgettable scene that’s sure to launch a thousand different toys shows Groot wearing an adorable Star-Lord jacket. It’s entirely possible that this is nothing but a visual gag, or possibly simply a reference to some of the Marvel comics in which the talking tree bothered to put on clothes. It’s also possible, though, that this indicates that Baby Groot is now looking up to Star-Lord and possibly seeking to emulate him. This, too, may be a possible explanation for why Baby Groot seems to pay less attention to Rocket’s instructions: he may be less interested in the theft and violence that Rocket specializes in and instead want to challenge the next galactic big bad to a dance-off like his new role model, Star-Lord.
One of the interesting features of Groot’s early characterization is that he wasn’t supposed to be just any talking tree. Instead, he touted himself as a monarch of the imaginatively named Planet X. He made this claim in Tales to Astonish comic, and repeated it when the Guardians of the Galaxy found him. Eventually, though, Rocket Raccoon traveled to Planet X and learned Groot’s ***** little secret: he was never a king. In fact, he was jailed for impersonating the true monarch. In the comics, Rocket manages to reunite with his buddy, but what does this have to do with the Baby Groot of the movie?
It’s possible that he may have the desire to try to be a ruler again. He may settle for leading the team or have larger aspirations to rule a people or even a planet (maybe one of the reasons he runs off with powerful weaponry whenever he gets a chance). ****, he may settle for no longer being Rocket’s second banana anymore. Or maybe he just really, really likes bombs.
Some superheroes might not survive Infinity War.
Anyone who’s seen Guardians of the Galaxy (or read a Guardians comic, for that matter) can tell you Drax has some serious bloodlust for Thanos. He knows Thanos is pulling all the evil strings in the universe, and he blames him for the death of his family. Heck, he even mentions at the end of Guardians that they really need to go after Thanos. They have to pay that off in some way, right? So, once the Mad Titan finally steps down off his fancy space throne, you’d have to think Drax will be first in line for a throwdown. That eagerness could cost him his life in Infinity War, because even without the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos is an insanely powerful being.
He was the first star hired for Marvel’s up-start connected universe, and he’s shown up in the most movies by far. His initial contract with the studio is also expired, meaning he now gets to be choosy about which projects he’ll do—and how much money he’ll command.
For the sake of perspective: Downey, Jr. earned a mind-boggling $50 million for The Avengers, and $75 million for Iron Man 3. Civil War scored him $40 million (plus back-end participation that could lead to tons more cash, since the film was a monster hit). He had a supporting role in Spider-Man: Homecoming, and he’ll obviously be a linchpin of Avengers: Infinity War.
You also have to wonder how long Marvel will want to keep paying him, especially if he continues to command more and more cash. So if Downey is ready to hang up his armor (or Marvel is ready to hang it up for him), an epic death in Infinity War could give the MCU’s first superhero a fitting send off, and also open up the potential for someone else to take up his mantle. Hey, Rhodey had a lengthy stint as Iron Man in the comic canon, and Marvel Comics is currently introducing Riri Williams as the star of a new Iron Man run. So there are no shortage of potential heroes to fill that particular void.
I heard that Riri stole some powerful tech from Stark Industries, and instead of being punished, people praised her.
There’s plenty of reasons I expect War Machine to die in the next Avengers movie. For one, he doesn’t have his own solo films — for another, he’s already been damaged, so having him try to fight while not being able to would tragically make sense for his character. Also, it would subject Tony Stark to further emotional pain, and that’s always fun.
No one knows exactly how much longer Don Cheadle (War Machine’s actor) has on his contract. Marvel’s comics often foreshadow movie events, and the last big thing War Machine did in the comics was die .. at the hands of Thanos! I’m not saying it’s a definite thing, I’m just saying it’s almost a definite thing.
It’s tough to admit, but the MCU has pretty much outgrown the guy who put it together. Nick Fury was the architect of getting the Avengers together over Phase 1, but after the fall of S.H.I.E.L.D. in Winter Soldier, it became a lot harder to keep him relevant. Yes, he popped up for a nice cameo in Age of Ultron—but he was MIA for the superhero battle royale that was Civil War. Without S.H.I.E.L.D. as a relevant factor in the MCU, it’s only going to get harder to fit Fury in (and yes, I realize S.H.I.E.L.D. is still around on TV in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., but Marvel has given no indication of tying that into the film universe).
If they did opt to kill off Fury, they could give him an awesome send-off, one totally fitting for Samuel L. Jackson — having him battle one of the biggest threats in the universe and ultimately falling to him. Hey, there are worse ways to go.
I had to look up the answer to your question, and so far (or at least that I could find) it hasn’t been confirmed to be directly connected to the MCU.
I’m pretty good at remembering things that never happened apparently?
Or is it…..a Mandela effect?
Hawkeye is an interesting option here. Jeremy Renner was openly critical of how his character was handled in The Avengers, though he seemed fairly happy with his meaty family arc in Age of Ultron, so it’s not currently known if he still wants out of the MCU. But looking back at Ultron, Joss Whedon’s final Avengers film really leaned into the family story surrounding Clint Barton, and it worked. That film established Hawkeye as the literal heart of the team (as he says himself, he’s just a dude with a bow and arrow running around with a literal god). Killing that figure in Infinity War? Yeah, that’d make for some major stakes, and serve as a true blow to the team.
Just look at the death of Coulson in The Avengers (ignoring how he was resurrected on TV). Killing the everyman is a perfect motivator to galvanize heroes together. It’d also be a manageable loss, since it doesn’t look like we’ll be getting a Hawkeye solo film anytime soon.
In the comic storyline House of M, Scarlet Witch’s powers are literally used to rewrite the state of reality. If Marvel is looking for a way to semi-reboot the universe in a few years, that ability could certainly come in handy. Hey, you’ve got to remember, reality warping the status quo is a staple of comic books these days, because while storylines may end, having to pay the bills lasts forever.
Stephen Strange is one of the most powerful Marvel superheroes thus far, and owns an Infinity Gem. It would make sense that Thanos would want to get rid of him as soon as possible. Another thing that points to Strange kicking it? He’s the one who will most likely bring the Avengers together in Infinity Wars, so it’d make a lot of sense for him to die after doing it. Heroic sacrifices, doncha know.
Now, we’re not saying Strange’ll die and be gone forever. Strange — as we’ve seen — has the ability to travel in different dimensions, through time, and in the astral realm. (He even went to **** and back — literally — in the comics.) Killing him off and bringing him back later isn’t the weirdest idea. We’re sure eventually he’ll come back via — wait for it — magic.
Who could possibly compete with a giant mudering meanie like Thanos? Well, obviously, the Hulk. Hulk and Thanos have fought so many times, there’s even a comic dedicated entirely to their fight. Hulk’s the biggest and strongest, and can take down almost anyone. He’s so big, the Civil War writers couldn’t figure out what to do with him, so they left him out of the movie entirely. Those same writers, by the way, are writing Infinity War. You can’t excuse Hulk’s absence twice, so it would make sense for Thanos to take him out as quickly as possible.
I’m not saying that he’ll never come back — heck, I’m not even saying Bruce Banner will die, just the Hulk — but I think that Thanos will probably off him as soon as possible.
Why haven’t we gotten a new Hulk movie—especially considering the character has easily proven to be one of the most popular members of Earth’s Mightiest Heroes when it comes to team-up time in the Avengers films?
They’ve already made two, and they weren’t very good.
It had been awhile since anyone actually tried bringing the Hulk to the screen, so the pressure was on for 2003’s Hulk film (which came five years before Marvel’s attempt at a connected universe). Directed by Ang Lee and starring Eric Bana as Bruce Banner, Hulk wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t great—and if nothing else, it wasn’t good enough to garner a sequel.
Fast forward five years, and the fledgling Marvel Studios was looking to take advantage of the characters still under their control to anchor new film franchises. Heavy hitters like Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, and the X-Men had been sold off years ago when the company was cash-strapped, so Marvel turned to the biggest names they had left: the Hulk and Iron Man.
The studio dropped Iron Man first, and thanks to the awesomeness of that movie and immense charisma of Robert Downey, Jr., it was a major hit. The Incredible Hulk was the second film on the slate, hitting a few months after Iron Man, and it was… not as good. The film received decent reviews and was a so-so performer at the box office, but compared to the coolness of Iron Man, it just didn’t hold up.
The last one didn’t really make that much money.
As I’ve mentioned, Marvel Studios took a bet that either Iron Man or The Incredible Hulk would be a breakout hit. The prize went to Iron Man, which pulled in more than twice Incredible Hulk’s global box office haul. The Hulk film banked $263 million worldwide on a $150 million budget, while Iron Man knocked it out of the park with $585 million against a $140 million budget. The studio quickly realized which character was the hot commodity, and built the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe around Iron Man. Had The Incredible Hulk made $600 million? Edward Norton would probably still be the Hulk and we’d certainly not be talking about why the studio hasn’t made a sequel in eight years.
Marvel already pulled the plug on a sequel.
Before Marvel mapped out plans for movies like Guardians of the Galaxy and Avengers: Infinity War, the studio was planning ahead for another Hulk film. But with the interest pushing more toward Iron Man and other characters, the project was shelved and original star Edward Norton was eventually axed and recast with Mark Ruffalo in The Avengers.
So what was the plan for the aborted sequel? Here’s what Norton told GamesRadar back in 2008: “To me the whole thing was to envision it in multiple parts. We left a lot out on purpose. It’s definitely intended as a chapter one. You know, part of the problem with these films in general is they seem to feel the obligation to tell the origin story in a linear fashion, to deal with it first and then go on into the adventure. But a lot of great stories don’t start at the beginning and with this—especially given audiences know this story—if you’re going to deal with the origin you might as well deal with it artfully. My attitude was, ‘Let’s start with a mystery and slowly unpeel what the roots of it are, all the way through—like let’s have revelations even in the third act about what set this whole thing in motion.'”
I was thinking of having third act revelations in installment 3 of my story.
“Hulk will smash Spiritdream for not knowing that Hulk was the subject of the sentence.”
*cheeks turn rosy*
“The fantasy wasn’t so well-thought-out after all, was it?”
Just an epic crossover fight resulting in the Schoolmaster’s tower toppling over after being unintentionally casually brushed.
Yep. It would be basically the airport battle in Civil War reenacted at SGE. She-Hulk would be there in place of her cousin, wise-cracking and fourth-wall-breaking (she pioneered it long before Deadpool started cracking wise.
The cover of the first issue actually featured She-Hulk holding a copy of her previous standalone title, telling readers: “This is your second chance. If you don’t buy my book this time, I’m going to come to your house and rip up all your X-Men.” Well played. Sensational She-Hulk wasn’t afraid to get weird and often featured She-Hulk talking directly to readers as well as her own writers and artists. She even literally ran through the comic book once, which was pretty cool. Fans loved it, and over the next few years it would become more standard across the comics landscape, but She-Hulk was one of the first to popularize it).
Speaking of her cousin, if you’ve been catching up with every single character in standalone movies in between, it takes some of the luster off the eventual team-up movies—at least, that’s the opinion of Avengers director Joss Whedon. In an interview with CinemaBlend, Whedon said it’s hard enough trying to keep up with what Thor, Captain America and Iron Man have done in the movies leading into the Avengers films. Having a character like the Hulk off the board makes the planning process a bit easier, and provides something truly fresh for those big-budget tentpole movies.
“Everybody loves Mark [Ruffalo]. He’s phenomenal. But the fact that there hasn’t been a Hulk since that Hulk, it doesn’t ****,” argued Whedon. “I mean, my job is hard enough. Cap’s had a movie, Thor’s had a movie. Everyone’s gone through big changes. Iron Man had a movie. So I have to juggle everybody’s perception of that while still making a movie that you can see having not seen any [other Marvel movies] except the first Avengers—or not even that.”
The character just works better on a team.
It’s hard to quantify, but you don’t have to look much further than the quality and success of the two standalone Hulk films against the character’s appearances in the Avengers movies: he just works better as part of an ensemble. The story of Bruce Banner is a compelling one, but we’ve already had two attempts to dig into it with minimal success. As io9 pointed out in an excellent op-ed, doling out those story bits in smaller chunks really allows the character to truly shine. There’s also the fact that the Hulk is literally a force of nature, and it’s hard to line him up against a bad guy he can’t just smash into bits. But the foes are always out of this world (sometimes literally) in the Avengers films, so this ultra-powerful character can still seem like an underdog when the battle royale kicks off at that scale.
He’s actually kinda getting his own movie anyway (it’s just split across three other movies)
Though the Hulk hasn’t gotten top billing in a movie since 2008, he’s still played a pivotal role in the Marvel Cinematic Universe—and it’s only getting bigger. We’ve seen the character grapple with his inner demons in The Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron, plus find and lose a new love in the latter. Moving into the next phase of Marvel’s releases, the Hulk will take on an even larger role with a co-starring stint in the next Thor film, Ragnarok. He’s also set to play a role in the third and fourth Avengers sequels rolling out in 2018 and 2019.
Ruffalo has said Marvel is taking special care to map out a larger story for Bruce Banner across those three films, and told Yahoo! Movies that once you put them all together, it will essentially tell a complete Hulk story. “We’ve worked a really interesting arc into Thor 3, Avengers 3 and 4 for Banner that I think will—when it’s all added up—will feel like a Hulk movie, a standalone movie.”
Making a movie where the main character can turn into a giant green monster isn’t easy, and neither is finding a way to fit all that effects work into the budget. Sure, you can keep him in Bruce Banner mode for a lot of the time, but then viewers are just biding their time waiting for him to Hulk out. It’s a hard balance to strike.
The first two Hulk films did a decent job of bringing the green behemoth to life via CGI, but Marvel Studios really knocked it out of the park with The Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron. They offered easily the best interpretation yet of the character, and the effort earned the first Avengers film a nomination for an Academy Award in the “Visual Effects” category. The effects team incorporated part of Mark Ruffalo’s face into the character’s look (just Hulk-ier), and took advantage of just about every FX advancement over the past decade.
Here’s what Jeff White, ILM’s visual effects supervisor for The Avengers, told Animation World Network in a 2012 interview about working on the film: “We really wanted to utilize everything we’ve developed the last 10 years and make it a pretty spectacular Hulk. One of the great design decisions was to incorporate Mark Ruffalo into the look of him. So much of Hulk is based on Ruffalo and his performance, not only in motion capture and on set, but down to his eyes, his teeth, and his tongue.”
It’s just not cheap making a movie all Hulk, all the time.
I have much more facts and theories about other Marvel characters, but it’d be better to finish one before jumping to the next. Here’s another why we probably won’t have another Hulk standalone movie:
Hulk’s greatest battles are internal, not external.
The Hulk is an amazing character, but when you translate those dynamics from page to screen, it’s not easy to tell a compelling Hulk story. The reason? His biggest struggle is within himself, and that’s not an easy thing to showcase in a medium that typically relies on explosions and big action. Some of the best Hulk stories are character studies, and that just doesn’t fit into a superhero film. Kent Worcester, a professor of political science who also teaches a comics and animation course at Marymount Manhattan College, told ABC News it boils down to the fact that the Hulk is really the story of one man fighting with himself.
“The Hulk is the Marvel character whose internal conflict is the most obviously manifested externally. I’m talking about a deeper conflict, a conflict involving Bruce Banner, who does not want to be the Hulk, who does not want his anger unleashed, does not want his id to run free, and who is caught in a soap opera involving the general, general’s daughter, this secret world of the military, and the media,” said Worcester. “The conflict is just not whether I should use my powers for good or should I save the world. It’s personal. It’s psychological.”
There are some distribution rights issues.
There’s been a lot of confusion surrounding the film rights around the Hulk. A big part of that goes back to some comments Mark Ruffalo made to Collider blaming the fact that we never got another sequel on a rights issue: “Marvel doesn’t really have the rights to that yet. That’s still Universal’s property, so there’s that issue. That’s a big impediment to moving forward with that.”
Ruffalo is kind of right, but the real situation is a bit more complicated. Yes, Universal apparently does have right of first refusal to distribute a potential new Hulk film—which could create some problems, sure, but it’s not a big enough roadblock to keep Marvel from making the movie. They cut deals with Sony for Spider-Man, and if they wanted to make a Hulk movie, this wouldn’t stop them. But it does make the process a bit more complicated.
The character of the Hulk dates back to the glory days of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in the early 1960s, and if you’ve ever read any of those comics, you know they get a little weird sometimes. That’s not to say you can’t do those stories well on the big screen, but it makes it a little harder to pull off. Where someone like Captain America is fighting *****, a relatable selling point, the Hulk is a bit more complicated. As io9 noted in a rundown of stories that could make for good movies, arcs like World War Hulk (which is reportedly being incorporated to some extent into Thor: Ragnarok), and the time-hopping Indestructible Hulk: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. could be a harder sell for typical mainstream audiences.
There’s not really anywhere to put it on the schedule .
Marvel has made a lot of movies in the past eight years. Between sequels and originals, the studio has cranked out a mind-boggling 13 movies. But the studio is just getting started: they already have at least four movies currently shooting or in production (Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, Spider-Man: Homecoming, and Thor: Ragnarok), with at least five more on the way (Black Panther, Avengers: Infinity War, Ant-Man and the Wasp, Captain Marvel, the untitled Avengers film). So even if Marvel wanted to make a new Hulk film, it’d arguably be 2020 or later until they could even fit it in the schedule. Considering just about every Marvel movie is a hit, and they have to keep the train rolling with new characters at this point, it’s hard to make space for a guy who already plays a major role in the Avengers films and has already had two shots at solo glory.
Why Hulk, when there are so many other characters?
They might not have the X-Men or Fantastic Four in the stable, but Marvel still has a ton of comics heroes to mine for future films. Black Panther was a breakout character in Captain America: Civil War, and the studio is gearing up for the eagerly anticipated introduction of Brie Larson in the solo Captain Marvel movie. Oh, and there’s also an Inhumans film on the way. There are just so many great characters who haven’t gotten a chance to shine on the big screen, so from a creative standpoint, how can you justify cranking out another Hulk movie when there are so many great characters worth giving a shot? If Marvel wasn’t so eager to take chances, the world would’ve missed out on the monster hit Guardians of the Galaxy, and the quirky superhero heist flick Ant-Man.
There are a lot of reasons for why Marvel hasn’t made a new Hulk film, and though we’d obviously love to see more of Mark Ruffalo being angry, it’s just a hard project to justify in the grand scheme of things. But despite the lack of a standalone project, we at least have a whole lot more Hulk action to look forward to in the next few years—so there will be more than enough anger to go around through at least 2019.
Did you know that Groot once tried to kill the Hulk?
The Monster from Planet X appears in The Incredible Hulk Annual #5, in which a recurring Marvel villain named Xemnu resurrects Groot and a handful of other villains from Marvel’s old horror comics and pits them against Bruce Banner’s alter-ego. After smashing his way through a fifth-dimensional demon named Diablo and a mud monster called Taboo, Groot takes his shot at the Jade Giant. At first, things go well. Groot’s branches nearly choke the life out of the Hulk, while planting his roots in the ground makes Groot impervious to the Hulk’s gamma-powered punches. Groot even whips out a new skill—a wave of razor-sharp thorns—which seem all set to finish the Hulk off for good.
But all of these attacks make Hulk angry, and you know how that tends to end up. Hulk blocks Groot’s attacks with a stone, which he proceeds to use to beat Groot into a stump.
He haunted Peter Parker’s dreams.
After his showdown with the Hulk, Groot sat out most of the ’80s and ’90s before his big return (c’mon, this is comics—did you really think he’d stay dead?), but he did make one appearance in 1997’s The Sensational Spider-Man Minus 1. In the story, a pre-spider bite Peter Parker stays up late reading Atlas’ old horror comics—and then, when he goes on a fishing trip with Uncle Ben, learns that all of those classic stories have come true!
Except, not really—naturally, it’s all just a bad dream—but before Peter realizes that, Groot puts Peter and Ben through the wringer. While fleeing from the plant-like Gigantus, the Parker boys run right into Groot, who announces his presence with his classic catchphrase and proceeds to chase Peter and Ben right into a dead end. That would’ve been the end of them, too, if the savage Vandoom hadn’t appeared and smashed Groot into splinters. As it turns out, the only thing that Marvel’s classic horror villains hate more than humans are other monsters, and it’s not long before Ben is captured and the entire forest is leveled by the giant brawl.
That’s when Peter wakes up and realizes there are no casualties—aside from Peter’s comic book collection, which Ben and May promptly confiscate, forcing Peter to read real books (shudder) until he’s a little bit older.
Groot is a hard guy to put down—remember, he’s grown back from a twig more than once—and it’s going to take more than the Hulk to take him out for good. In Marvel Monsters: Monsters on the Prowl, readers learn that, at some point in the past, the Collector rounded up Groot and all of Marvel’s other classic monsters and locked them away in an underground prison. That’s weird and vaguely sinister, but relatively safe, at least until the Fantastic Four villain Mole Man attacks and busts the prison wide open, freeing Groot and all the other prisoners.
The army of monsters make their way from Canada to New York, where they start stomping everything in sight. Unfortunately for them, Marvel’s “good” monsters—the Thing, the Hulk, Giant-Man, and the X-Men’s Beast—are on the scene. Most of the monsters are easy pickings for the experienced superheroes, but Groot puts up a bit more of a fight. Groot uses his branches to choke the Thing, and later tries to escape while tangling the Thing and Hulk in his roots, but ultimately, he’s defeated by the team of heroes and locked away—although, obviously, not for good.
He attacked S.H.I.E.L.D.
Groot’s road to redemption begins in the Nick Fury’s Howling Commandos mini-series, but not before the alien gets in a few more licks at the good guys’ expense. Under the leadership of S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Clay Quartermain, the Howling Commandos are a band of monsters (yes, that “howling” is meant to be taken literally) charged with hunting and capturing other monsters—and Groot is one of their very first victims.
In Nick Fury’s Howling Commandos #2, Quartermain and his team find Groot hiding in a large forest, and proceed to use every piece of weaponry at their disposal to remove him from the playing field. As you can imagine, that’s quite a task. As the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents plaster Groot with sonic weapons, the Monster from Planet X lashes out in pain and rage, nearly decimating the team. Thankfully, It the Living Colossus is able to subdue Groot before anyone gets hurt, and the tree monster is quickly taken captive and locked away.
Groot’s prison term is short-lived. The evil wizard Merlin sends an army of goblins and other supernatural creatures to attack Area 13, the Howling Commando’s home base, and in Nick Fury’s Howling Commandos #5, Quartermain opens the prison doors and frees Groot and the other prisoners, causing a stampede that turns the tide of the battle. While the other monsters flee, however, Groot stays behind and offers the Howling Commandos his help. Traveling on Groot’s back, the Howling Commandos take the fight to Merlin’s stronghold and put the wizard in his place—and give Groot the redemption that he desperately craves.
Here’s the big twist: despite a very clear and well-thought out character arc, the Groot who joined the Guardians of the Galaxy might not be the same one who terrorized the Marvel Universe for 50 years. There are other Groots on Planet X.
Guardians of the Galaxy #14 features a backup story exploring Groot’s origin. Before he left home to become a superhero (or, possibly, a world-conquering menace), Groot lived peacefully on Planet X, where a group of squirrel-like “maintenance mammals” keep the forests in tip-top shape. One day, some young saplings decide to assert their authority and harass the small critters, and that’s when the trouble starts.
A little bit into the Groots’ rampage, another young Groot—presumably, our Groot—intervenes, saving the little creatures’ lives. This doesn’t make the other Groots too happy. As the maintenance mammals thank the heroic Groot for his interference, the other Groots attack again. Enraged, good-Groot tears his peers into pieces. The ruling Groots catch wind of this and force now-murderer Groot to leave Planet X in exile.
Depending on how you look at it, Groot is either a bully, a murderer, or both—so, in a way, it doesn’t matter if he’s the same Groot who debuted back in Tales to Astonish #13. He’s damaged goods no matter what.
He murdered Rocket.
Technically, this isn’t something terrible that Groot has done—it’s something that he will do, according to an elaborate virtual-reality simulation. When Skottie Young and Jake Parker’s Rocket Raccoon #9 flashes forward to 2046, Groot returns to his original, kaiju-esque size and plows through New York. He also plows through the Hulk, who ends up little more than a snack for the rampaging monster.
As Iron Man explains, the Avengers tried to use Groot’s regeneration powers to cure diseases—like, all of ’em—but the process backfired, turning Groot into a giant, mindless beast. The only creature in the universe who can stop him? Why, Rocket Raccoon, of course. Tony Stark tracks Rocket to Knowhere, the spaceport built inside the skull of a dead celestial, and tries to enlist his help, but Rocket is old and bitter and wants nothing to do with Iron Man or any of Earth’s heroes.
Meanwhile, the rampaging Groot tears S.H.I.E.L.D.’s helicarrier in half, sending Steve Rogers plummeting to his death. Iron Man soon follows, smooshed under Groot’s wooden fist. Rocket finally arrives, half-*****, and transforms his ship into a giant mech to fight Groot hand-to-branch, but it’s no match for Groot’s raw strength, and Groot tears both the robot and his friend to pieces. Still, it’s not all in vain. Rocket’s sacrifice snaps Groot back to his senses and transforms the monster into a giant, life-giving tree, while Rocket goes down in history as one of the world’s most important heroes.
He tried to push the button.
You don’t need much context to know that the giant red button featured in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2’s second trailer is bad news. For one, it’s a giant red button attached to a countdown clock. That’s never good. More directly, however, Rocket flat-out says that pushing the button will kill everyone—he even calls it “the death button”—while Star-Lord lets it slip that the button is, as you can probably guess, attached to an atomic bomb. So, yeah, probably not a good thing to mess around with, right?
But that doesn’t stop Baby Groot. In fact, he’s practically giddy about pushing that button. Ultimately, Rocket stops Groot from pushing the button, but isn’t fast enough to stop the little sapling from running away with the device when his back is turned—and if we didn’t know for a fact that the Guardians will be appearing in Avengers: Infinity War, we’d say that’s probably it. Farewell, Guardians. We barely knew you.
“Sure, let’s. Have. One. Word. Per. Post.”
XD Next on the list is Spider-Man.
As revealed in Sentry/Spider-Man, Peter Parker has a Pulitzer Prize, which he won for a photograph of the Sentry. They don’t hand those out to just any old photographer: Peter, through his work with the Daily Bugle, is a photojournalist, and that means that he’s expected to adhere to certain ethical standards. He doesn’t. In fact, his entire career is a lie.
Think about it. While Peter tells J. Jonah Jameson that his photos of Spider-Man swinging through the city and fighting crime are candid, he often stages shots in order to get the best angle. He claims that he and Spider-Man are different people, but in reality, he’s shooting selfies. Peter doesn’t capture the news on film. He creates it, and then uses that to his financial advantage.
If the public ever found out (and, in Marvel’s 2006 event series Civil War, they do), not only would the Daily Bugle’s reputation as a legitimate press outlet—which, thanks to J. Jonah Jameson’s anti-Spider-Man crusade, is largely built on Peter Parker’s work—be absolutely shot, but Peter’s transgressions are big enough that he could be in major hot water, legally speaking. As legal scholars note, Peter could easily be sued for “misrepresentation, fraud, [and] breach of contract,” and wouldn’t have much of a defense to fall back on. In other words, Peter Parker is a hack who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a newsroom, much less receive the industry’s highest possible award.
“His ‘Spider-sense’ does not make any (spider) sense.”
The radioactive spider bite gave Peter Parker spider powers. That’s his whole gimmick, and for the most part, it checks out. Clinging to walls? Sure. Super-strength? Absolutely. Jumping extra high? According to science, Spider-Man doesn’t jump high enough.
So where the heck did spider-sense come from? Spiders can sense movement in the air around them using small hairs scattered around their bodies, and they can track the vibrations in their webs to tell different types of insects apart. That means that Spider-Man should be able to identify nearby physical threats—say, an enemy that approaches from behind, or an incoming sucker punch.
But Peter’s spider-sense does much, much more than that. It tells Peter when an enemy is in disguise, or if someone is lying. It guides him to hidden threats, like bombs or caches of weapons. It picks up specific radio frequencies, which Spider-Man relies on to make his spider-trackers so effective. Spider-sense is less of a biological function and more of a psychic power, and it’s not anything like a real spider’s abilities. Not even close.
I haven’t gotten a whole lot figured out (been sewing and jumping between characters) but the few things I did get:
His name is Arata Avenant (“Fresh Rider”) he’s six feet tall has silver eyes (I couldn’t resist) and black hair – I guess thats a contrast to the others brighter coloured hair?
I haven’t officially made him Japanese/French (that would just be based on his name)
Me and my older brother base our Spider-characters off actual spiders cause they’re really interesting, I decided Avenant’s based of the Archaeidae species.
– that’s this guy if you don’t know –
– the pictures flipped actually, archaedae generally hang around on the underside of a leaf –
I haven’t named his alter-ego yet, I’m trying to decide whether I should just use Archaeidae or go more scientific with Eriauchenius.
I don’t really know how to describe his costume, but he wears one of those masquerade masks – sometimes.
I think I’m going to try to implement fossils and amber into his costume – archaeidae where first discovered fossiled in amber
I think, when it comes to webbing, he has mechanical webs – but he doesn’t really use webs, he more just uses draglines (a safety line, basically)
I’m possibly going to include the “shock absorbents” of archaeidae legs, sneaking up on the other’s in their own web.
As I said, he’s the only one with a spider-sense, much closer to archaedae, some sort of mechanoreceptor thing – and maybe chemosensory, I don’t know, its not confirmed that archaeidae have that, I just like how it sounds.
The two bits of trivia that made me decide on archaeidae as a base:
Archaeidae are known for seeking out and finding other spiders draglines and hunting them down, I haven’t quite figured out why he wouldn’t just appear at my other spider-characters’ houses to get rid of them
They’re also like siren’s a little, the can strum their legs on the draglines which I presume makes a sound/vibration that attracts spiders to them (I presume, I realize my notes say nothing about that) – this is another thing I haven’t quite figured out why he just doesn’t do that to get rid of them.
//this sounds more like I’m just talking about the species, sorry, my character-creation process is chaotic. I was also planning on working on hid origin last night, but I fell asleep surprisingly quickly
Peter Parker’s first girlfriend wasn’t Gwen Stacy or Mary Jane Watson. It was J. Jonah Jameson’s attractive secretary, Betty Brant. That’s right: in the early issues of Amazing Spider-Man, nerdy Peter Parker makes time for a hot older woman.
Too old, perhaps. As confirmed in Civil War #2, Peter was 15 when the radioactive spider bit him and gave him his powers. Even if you assume that lots of time passes between Spider-Man’s debut in Amazing Fantasy #15 and those early issues of Amazing Spider-Man, he’s still a year or so away from graduating high school when he and Betty become an item. Charitably, say he’s 17. That’s over New York state’s age of consent, but still makes him a minor.
Meanwhile, Betty has a career, a car, and her own apartment. She’s got enough money to put together stylish outfits. In Amazing Spider-Man #4, Betty refers to Peter as “JJ’s young photographer,” which implies that she’s older than he is. Betty is an adult. Peter is not.
Once the romance grew serious, Stan Lee retconned Betty’s age—in The Amazing Spider-Man #9, Betty says she dropped out of high school “a year ago” to find a job and help her brother settle his gambling debts- making her look more like a love-struck teenager. But in those early issues, Betty is very clearly an older woman.
You know Spider-Man’s guiding principle. Everyone does. Go ahead and say it with me: “with great power, comes great responsibility.”
Except that’s not actually how it goes. In Amazing Fantasy #15, the actual quote reads, “With great power there must also come—great responsibility!” That doesn’t flow off the tongue quite as well as the abbreviated version, of course, and it makes sense that future writers would condense it a little bit. After all, in comic books, words are at a premium.
Oh, and by the way, while that’s a quote commonly attributed to Uncle Ben (and one that he actually says in the various movies), Ben never utters those words in Amazing Fantasy #15. In fact, in Spider-Man’s origin story, Uncle Ben only has two lines: he wakes Peter up for school, and comments on how Peter is getting too big to out-wrestle thanks to Aunt May’s wheatcakes. No, the axiom by which Spider-Man lives his life first appears courtesy of Amazing Fantasy #15’s unnamed narrator, who utters the line as Spider-Man tearfully wanders off into the night, still mourning his (very quiet) uncle’s death.
Stan Lee and Steve Ditko would have you believe that Peter “Puny” Parker is a poor, beleaguered nerd. While he’s got the requisite glasses and the fashion sense to match—seriously, what 15-year-old wears a tie to school? -Beautiful ladies can’t get enough of him.
Even before John Romita transformed Peter Parker from a gangly teenager into a handsome college student, attractive women practically threw themselves at the ol’ webslinger. Betty Brant comes on to him. Liz Allen, the most popular girl at Midtown High, asks him out in The Amazing Spider-Man #5, and confesses that she has feelings for him in The Amazing Spider-Man #28. Peter’s first serious girlfriend, the sweet and intelligent Gwen Stacy, is a stone cold fox. His wife, Mary Jane Watson, is an honest-to-god supermodel.
It doesn’t end there. The Black Cat may not care much for the man under the mask, but she’s way into those red-and-blue duds. Spider-Man has swapped spit with Silver Sable, Sin, and Debra Whitman. He caught the eye of doomed police officer Jean Dewolff, Glory Grant, and Gwen Stacy’s cousin, Jill. It goes on and on. Clearly, that radioactive arachnid didn’t just give Peter the powers of a spider—it also made him irresistible to women. It’s the only logical explanation.
Aunt May looks like she’s in her 80s. She acts even older. She’s in and out of the hospital all the time, and relies on medication just to make it through the day. She can barely take care of herself, forcing Peter Parker to work more or less as May’s full-time nurse, in addition to his school work, his job, and his crimefighting responsibilities.
But, realistically, if Peter Parker is a teenager when he becomes Spider-Man, May can’t be that old. She met Ben Parker in high school, so they must be about the same age. As depicted in The Amazing Spider-Man Annual #5, which reveals that Richard and Mary Parker were spies killed by the Red Skull, Peter Parker’s parents can’t be older than 40—and even that’s stretching it. If Ben is, say, 20 years older than his brother (unlikely, but it could happen), that’d only make the couple around 60 when they adopted Peter.
And yet, during the flashbacks in The Amazing Spider-Man Annual #5, Aunt May already looks like a wizened old hag. By the time Peter is a teenager, she looks positively ancient. Given that Peter seems to be aging gracefully, May’s ungracious slide into senility must be the result of those Reilly genes (on the plus side, this means Marisa Tomei isn’t too young to play Aunt May—it’s the comic that doesn’t make any sense).
More evidence of Peter Parker’s time loop:
Peter is 15 years old, or freshman/sophomore age, in Amazing Fantasy #15, which was published in September, 1962. He graduates from high school in The Amazing Spider-Man #28, published in September, 1965. Assuming that Peter is about 18 when he heads off to college, that means he worked his way through high school in roughly real time—and in contrast, Peter’s college career lasts nearly 13 real-life years. He enrolls in Empire State University in December 1965’s The Amazing Spider-Man #34, and his graduation ceremony takes place in The Amazing Spider-Man #185, which is cover-dated October, 1978.
Compared to Peter’s high school run, that’s practically an eternity. Even going by comic book time, Peter’s college career is very, very long. Over the course of Peter’s college career, he discovers that his friend’s father is a supervillain, falls in love with Gwen Stacy, quits and resumes his super-hero career, watches Doctor Octopus kill his girlfriend’s father, travels to London, nearly loses Harry Osborn to a drug overdose, grows four extra arms, stops a couple of different gang wars, fights the Hulk, watches as the Green Goblin kills his girlfriend, fights a werewolf, falls in love with Mary Jane, spoils a wedding between Aunt May and Doctor Octopus, faces off against the Punisher, meets a clone of his dead girlfriend, attends Betty Brant’s wedding, and proposes to MJ, who turns him down.
That’s clearly more than four years worth of adventures, and it’s not even counting all of the one-off battles with various supervillains, the day-to-day life drama, or anything that happened in Spider-Man’s non-Amazing titles, like Marvel Team-Up or The Spectacular Spider-Man. And not only does Peter end up one gym credit short of a diploma when graduation rolls around—something he’ll have to make up the following summer—but he immediately starts working towards a PhD he doesn’t actually get until 2013.
When you’re a kid, Carnage seems like the coolest Spider-Man villain ever. He’s like Venom, but faster, stronger, and even more ********. He’s more than a match for the powers of Spider-Man, Venom, and the entire Fantastic Four combined. He has complete and total control over his symbiote host, and eats other symbiotes in order to boost his strength.
Take away the nostalgia-tinted lens, however, and Carnage starts to feel a little… warmed over. As a symbiote-based villain, he’s just Venom, except even more so. In his civilian identity of Cletus Kasady, he resembles someone else: if the maniacal grin, the sharp cheekbones, the psychotic disregard for human life, and the complete and utter dedication to chaos remind you of a clown-themed villain over at Spider-Man’s distinguished competition, you’re not alone.
In 2007, Carnage co-creator Erik Larsen flat-out admitted that Cletus is a Joker knockoff in a post on the official Image Comics forum. “He was inspired by the Joker,” Larsen says. “I basically drew the Joker and had him colored with regular skin and red hair.” Larsen isn’t the only one who thought Joker and Carnage shared some similarities, either: in 1995, J.M. DeMatteis and Mark Bagley produced Spider-Man and Batman, which saw the Clown Prince of Crime team up with the symbiote to wreak havoc in Gotham City (naturally, with both the Dark Knight and Spidey on the case, it doesn’t end well for either).
Many heroes have personal ties to their arch-nemeses, but Spider-Man takes things to a whole new level. Basically, anyone in Peter Parker’s life who isn’t dead (and a few who are) turns into a supervillain sooner or later.
There’s Norman Osborn, of course, who happens to be both Peter’s best friend’s dad and the Green Goblin—and once Norman’s out of the picture, Harry picks up the mantle and carries on the family legacy. The clone-obsessed Jackal is Peter’s college professor, Miles Warren. The Molten Man is the stepbrother of Peter’s high school crush, Liz Allan. Man-Wolf is Peter’s boss’ son, while J. Jonah Jameson himself has dabbled on the dark side by funding Spencer Smythe and the Spider-Slayers. Ned Leeds, one of Peter’s co-workers at the Daily Bugle and his ex-girlfriend’s husband, spent some time as the Hobgoblin. The Black Cat, Spider-Man’s sometimes fling, fluctuates between respectable vigilante and flat-out crook.
And those are just the classics. More recently, a good friend of Aunt May’s, the philanthropist Martin Li, turned out to be the evil Mr. Negative. Harry Osborn’s fiancée, Lily Hollister, ultimately reveals herself as the goblin-themed villain Menace. They say you can’t choose your family, but you can choose your friends. If that’s really true, Peter, choose better.
Blockbuster director and lifelong Spider-Man fan James Cameron convinced the Carolco studio to option the film rights to the web-slinger in the early ’90s. While many elements of his envisioned Spidey film would later be used in the Tobey Maguire version, Cameron’s production was ultimately tangled in an inescapable web. Why couldn’t one of Hollywood’s most powerful directors get this film made?
1. The script was “too edgy”.
Cameron’s Spider-Man “scriptment,” which is a long film treatment with dialogue and screen direction, has become something of a Hollywood legend. According to Rebecca Keegan’s book The Futurist: The Life and Films of James Cameron (via SlashFilm), Spidey creator Stan Lee absolutely loved it. Ultimately, many elements of the script—which has been leaked and even illustrated online—made it into the Sam Raimi-directed film that ultimately saw release in 2002, though Cameron never received even informal credit. See if any of this rings a bell: Peter’s fever dream/waking up not needing his glasses; Mary Jane as his love interest; Uncle Ben’s carjacking death; Peter’s indifference while an employer gets robbed; and most notably, Spider-Man’s organic, not man-made web shooters. If you’re now saying to yourself, “Wait, that’s like, the whole Tobey Maguire movie”…yeah, it pretty much is, and those elements were all in Cameron’s version.
But he also has Peter peeping in Mary Jane’s window while she gets dressed, then later shows them having *** on the Brooklyn Bridge while Peter describes the creepy, and frankly, ********** ways that spiders mate. Uh, what? Also, Peter uses intense profanity throughout the story, to the point that it would be completely inappropriate for kids (and most likely R-rated, as the majority of Cameron’s films had been to that point). Production never advanced far enough for a final, greenlit screenplay to get developed, so who knows whether Cameron could have been persuaded away from the edgier stuff, although his history suggests he would have wanted to make Spider-Man his way or not at all.
“The budget was probably too low.”
Cameron would likely have made Spider-Man right after Terminator 2, which had a $100 million dollar budget. According to Janet Wasko’s How Hollywood Works, Carolco only gave Cameron $50 million to work with—a huge step backwards for him. And if the reported budgets of his next two films, True Lies ($100 million) and Titanic (a record-setting $200 million) tell us anything, it’s that Spidey’s balance sheet wasn’t going to fly. The script has Spider-Man fighting both Electro and Sandman, as well as multiple scenes atop the World Trade Center. None of those set pieces would have come cheap.
There were consistent rumors that Cameron wanted to cast Arnold Schwarzenegger as Doc Ock, and given his history with the Austrian strongman, they’re easy to believe. Schwarzenegger even intimated his involvement in an interview with Empire, only going so far as to vaguely say the studio “went in another direction.” The laughable Batman & Robin would prove Arnie indeed had comic book movie aspirations (albeit misguided ones). But Cameron’s script didn’t even feature the villain, so who knows if there were further talks.
According to Moviepilot’s breakdown of Cameron’s dream cast, however, there were other strange choices. For example, Edward Furlong was supposed to be Peter Parker, and Leonardo DiCaprio was to play Harry Osborne. Nope and nope. First of all, Leonardo isn’t playing second fiddle to just anyone. Johnny Depp? Sure. Eddie Furlong? Not a chance. Second, with the hindsight from Spider-Man 3 at our disposal, we already know what an emo Peter Parker looks like, and it’s not good. They also cite Drew Barrymore as Gwen Stacey, which would have been fine, and R. Lee Ermey, who played the drill sergeant in Full Metal Jacket, as J. Jonah Jameson. That would have been perfect, but nailing the casting of the guy who probably has ten lines at best wouldn’t have been enough to make up for tanking the principal cast.
While the script, casting, and budgeting issues all could have become later stumbling blocks, what ultimately squashed Cameron’s Spider-Man were legal issues. Cameron told Collider that when Carolco collapsed—which happened a few years after they acquired the rights to Spider-Man—he already had Titanic in his sights and no longer wanted to pursue it because there were too many competing interests for the rights. A number of former writers and producers all claimed to have had a hand in developing the project, and they all came calling after Marvel’s 1996 bankruptcy scattered multiple holding deals to the wind. How Hollywood Works details how, after Marvel recovered from bankruptcy, they basically paid off everyone who was trying to sue for the rights to Spider-Man, which in turn freed them up to once again sell the film rights, this time to Sony—who’ve since gone on to make five Spider-Man films (and counting) and more than $2 billion in franchise revenues.
Meanwhile, Cameron turned one of the greatest maritime tragedies of all time into a billion-dollar smash, so don’t feel too bad for him. He didn’t get to make his favorite comic book movie and might have missed out on making a ton of Spider-cash, but don’t worry—he still did just fine.
He went on to direct Titanic and Avatar-two insignificant little films that combined made a pitiful 4.8 billion at the box office and only won 14 Academy Awards-but don’t worry, every film wins at least that many.
The main action in Spider-Man: Homecoming already featured two suits for Peter Parker, via his original homemade gear and the Tony Stark upgrade — but the end of the film introduced a brief look at a third costume, which we sadly never get to see in action when Peter declines the invite to join the Avengers (at least for now).
Lucky for the folks at San Diego Comic-Con, they did get to see that suit going face-to-face with Thanos in the exclusive trailer, as Spidey apparently gets an upgrade for Infinity War. It’s only a brief shot of footage, but the costume definitely looks to have some elements of the Iron Spider costume featured in the comics, which was a variation on the Spider-Man suit designed by Tony Stark (though in the comics, it was almost like a hybrid Spider-Man and Iron Man suit at times). With Thanos on the prowl, Peter Parker will likely need all the bells and whistles he can fit under the hood.
Thanks to its bevy of solo franchises, Marvel Studios has turned guys like Chris Hemsworth (Thor), Chris Evans (Captain America), Tom Holland (Spider-Man), and Paul Rudd (Ant-Man) into A-list action stars in their own rights. With a project like Infinity War, they’re cramming all those movie stars — and their on-screen super-counterparts — into one film.
That was hard enough with the first couple of super team-ups in The Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron, but the list of heroes is a whole lot longer for Infinity War. Just to name a few: Robert Downey, Jr. (Iron Man), Mark Ruffalo (The Hulk), Tom Hiddleston (Loki), Chris Evans (Captain America), Chris Hemsworth (Thor), Jeremy Renner (Hawkeye), Chris Pratt (Star-Lord), Elizabeth Olsen (Scarlet Witch), Sebastian Stan (The Winter Soldier), Benedict Cumberbatch (Doctor Strange), Paul Bettany (The Vision), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury), Zoe Saldana (Gamora), Vin Diesel (Groot), Dave Bautista (Drax), Bradley Cooper (Rocket Raccoon), Scarlett Johansson (Black Widow), Tom Holland (Spider-Man), Anthony Mackie (The Falcon), Chadwick Boseman (Black Panther), Paul Rudd (Ant-Man), and Don Cheadle (War Machine). That’s only naming the “big” characters.
It’s literally taken 16 movies (18 by the time Infinity War opens) to introduce all these characters, and now Marvel will be putting them all into the same story. There’s no way to overstate how ambitious an undertaking that will be.
“It finally brings together the two sides of the MCU.”
Up until Guardians of the Galaxy, pretty much all of Marvel’s superhero stories took place on Earth (except for when Thor popped out to Asgard, of course). That all changed with Guardians, which introduced viewers to a huge, massive universe of heroes, villains, and intergalactic players (i.e., the Nova Corps, the Ravagers, and the Kree, just to name a few).
To this point, that world has been largely separate from the stories being told with folks like Spider-Man, Ant-Man, and Iron Man, but it all comes together with Infinity War. The debut trailer for Infinity War shown at San Diego Comic-Con made that clear, with Thor literally crashing into the windshield of the Guardians’ ship the Milano like a bug on a windshield.
The footage went on to show galactic heroes like Star-Lord fighting alongside Doctor Strange and Spider-Man — a melding of worlds fans have been waiting to see ever since Star-Lord stole an Infinity Stone (and our collective hearts) in the opening scene of Guardians of the Galaxy.
Some fans didn’t even realize it back when Marvel was still in Phase 1, but the Infinity Stones are the engine that has been driving the Marvel Cinematic Universe since it began. Many of the films have focused on baddies trying to attain or harness these powerful artifacts (i.e., the Red Skull in Captain America: The First Avenger, Ultron in Age of Ultron, Ronan in Guardians of the Galaxy), and the onus falls on Infinity War to finally explain what these things are and how they work.
Russo told Screen Rant they’re up to the challenge, noting they have “put a lot of thought into how [they] would represent those powers so it was clear to the audience.” Much like in the comics, each stone will have its own unique power set, and Russo said that’s something they plan to convey in the film in a “really specific” way, hopefully with more detail than the “It makes big energy blasts” explanation we’ve seen from the stones up until this point.
It wasn’t a straight-up Avengers film in its own right, but Captain America: Civil War shook up the Marvel Cinematic Universe in massive ways like we typically only see in the flagship stories. The film focused on an ideological clash between Captain America and Iron Man, which ended with Cap and a small team of heroes escaping prison and going rogue by the time the screen faded to black.
Captain America, along with the Falcon, Ant-Man, Hawkeye, and Scarlet Witch are basically a rogue team of Avengers — something made clear by the brief look we get at Captain America in the Infinity War poster released at San Diego Comic-Con. We see Cap now sporting a beard, and a suit that is noticeably missing his usual U.S. and Avengers insignia. Considering things were left so raw at the end of Civil War, it’ll be interesting to see how quickly the hatchets are buried when Thanos decides to finally make his presence known.
“We might lose some Avengers along the way.”
Aside from folks like Quicksilver and Agent Coulson (his small screen resurrection not withstanding), we haven’t lost a ton of heroes in the Marvel Cinematic Universe up to this point — but all that could change when the Infinity War begins.
Russo made it clear the stakes will be climbing considerably for the biggest Avengers film yet. He recently said fans should be “prepared for some very intense surprises in these movies,” noting that he and his brother/fellow director Anthony Russo “believe in stakes.”
Forebodingly, Russo teased that “everything has to come to an end at some point, in order for it to have value.” With a roster full of several actors on the end of their contracts (or already going movie-to-movie on extensions), that means Infinity War could be the platform to reset the board by killing some old heroes, and pushing some newer ones into larger prominence. It could be the end for stalwarts like Iron Man.
It feels strange rooting for Tony to die. I don’t hate him, I just think his death might benefit the MCU.
“That San Diego Comic-Con teaser for Infinity War also revealed the return of fan favorite Tom Hiddleston as Loki, as he can be seen stalking around and at one point picking up what appears to be the Tesseract (or perhaps a different Infinity Stone). ”
Despite Loki apparently redeeming himself and working with Thor in recent years (and seemingly in the upcoming Thor: Ragnarok, as well), the scene makes one wonder if Loki might be too tempted by the power in his hands to just hand it back over to the good guys. Whatever role he’ll play, it’s a coup for Marvel to have Hiddleston back on the roster. He’s one of the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s most nuanced characters, and with Marvel making its biggest movie yet, it makes sense to include arguably its best character.
After introducing the Vision in Avengers: Age of Ultron, Marvel has been slowly teasing a potential romance between the resident synthezoid and Scarlet Witch, and it sounds like that will finally pay off in Infinity War.
Some leaked set pics show Vision and Scarlet Witch pretty much making out while standing at a window, and after those shots leaked, star Elizabeth Olsen confirmed it’s exactly what it looks like. She said the film will allow them to “explore that part of the comic book” while “[introducing] and really [exploring] their relationship.” As anyone who has read the comics likely knows, that relationship doesn’t really end all that well, so it’ll be interesting to see which direction they take it on the big screen.
(Side note: I was watching a clip of The Avengers right before they stand together in the group shot during the battle of New York and when Banner shows up I’m thinking ‘He seems like a nice guy, kind of calm’ then seconds later he goes green. XD )
“We’ve seen Thanos a few times up to this point, but never outside the context of his deep space stomping grounds — but that all changes in Infinity War.”
Russo told Cinema Blend that “a good amount” of the film will take place on Earth, with “a lot of different narratives” all coming together (we’d imagine at least part of that means the world of the Guardians driving toward Earth).
Russo did hedge that there’s also “a good mix” of space-based action, too. Which makes sense, considering Thanos comes from the galactic side of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
“We’ll finally get to see Thanos in all his glory.”
A wider audience obviously still hasn’t gotten to see that Infinity War trailer (excluding some low-quality leaks, of course), though there’s one thing made abundantly clear in the footage that has been screened — Thanos is finally getting his hands ***** in battle.
The footage shows Thanos taking on Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, and grabbing hold of Thor’s head and preparing to pop it like a melon. The money shot of the trailer finds Thanos seemingly grabbing a moon (the moon?) and bringing it down on the Avengers like gigantic, jagged shrapnel. Marvel’s heroes have faced a whole to of challenges, but they’ve never seen anything like the sheer force of nature that the Mad Titan represents.
“Thanos is bringing the Black Order.”
Thanos’ frequent comic collaborators Corvus Glaive, Proxima Midnight, Black Dwarf, and Ebony Maw are all expected to show up alongside the Mad Titan.
They’re all extremely powerful players in their own right, and will make Thanos even more formidable. We don’t know much about how they’ll be reimagined on the big screen, though Marvel has teased they will be the “children of Thanos.” Whether or not that is to be taken literal, we don’t quite know yet, though it seems clear they’ll be his acolytes in trying to put together a fully assembled Infinity Gauntlet to wreak havoc on Earth and reality itself.
We get to see Tom Holland’s version of Spider-Man use a lot of his familiar superpowers, but one thing we don’t see is his spider-sense—and as it turns out, there’s a reason. Previous films have used effects like bullet time and slow motion to portray Spider-Man’s ability to sense danger before it arrives, and while we see Holland’s Spider-Man capable of dodging punches and getting ahead of villains, we never see it portrayed with effects work. Marvel’s Kevin Feige told IGN he believes this version of Spider-Man definitely does have a Spider Sense, even if it’s not explicitly displayed onscreen. Since we’ve already seen that portrayed a few times already, Feige said they wanted to make it more of an “internal, sort of second nature thing for him” when bringing Spidey into the formal MCU.
This doesn’t mean spider-sense will remain completely unexplored. Feige said they do plan to tackle it in future films, so we might see a bit more in the next two Avengers films and the eventual Homecoming sequel. Just don’t expect any Matrix-style bullet time.
One of the most intriguing secrets surrounding Spider-Man: Homecoming was the surprise casting of Donald Glover (Atlanta, Community) in an undisclosed role. They actually kept it under wraps until press screenings rolled around, when it was revealed Glover portrays Aaron Davis—a name that should definitely be familiar to comic fans. Davis is the uncle to Miles Morales, a character who eventually takes up the mantle of Spider-Man in the Ultimate Universe after Peter Parker’s death (he’s since joined the “prime” Marvel Comics universe as a full-fledged Spider-Man alongside the “prime” version of Peter Parker).
As for the MCU, Glover’s Davis does tease that he has a nephew living in town, which is why he doesn’t want the alien weapons on the streets. That’s clearly a reference to Miles. A lot of the MCU took inspiration from the Ultimate Universe in the comics, so could the studio be threading Miles into the MCU? It’s doubtful they’d kill off Peter Parker (especially considering the character is on loan from Sony).
“You don’t think we’ll get to see Miles without Peter in a grave?”
Fun fact: at one point Peter was accidentally buried alive.
It was a bit of a throwaway joke, but did Tony Stark and Pepper Potts actually get engaged at the end of Homecoming? When Peter turns down Tony’s invite to formally join the Avengers—which totally wasn’t a test, and was a real invitation—they start scrambling to come up with an announcement to give all the reporters who’d assembled for Spider-Man’s introduction. Happy whips out a wedding ring, noting he’s been holding onto it since 2008 (for those keeping score, that’s when the Marvel Cinematic Universe began), and tosses it to Tony as he and Pepper disappear into the press room. We’re left wondering: Did Tony actually pop the question? We’ll probably have to wait until Avengers: Infinity War to find out, but if he did, that’s one heck of a Tony Stark bombshell to sneak into a Spider-Man movie.
It was played for a laugh as the credits roll, but Spider-Man: Homecoming ended with a major reveal that we’ve never seen in the Spider-Man movies: Aunt May knows Peter is Spider-Man, and she’s ******. For comics fans, it probably wasn’t a surprise; May in the Ultimate Universe eventually found out Peter’s secret, but there will almost certainly be some fallout in future films. As Stark points out, he’s just a teenager, and May is certainly within her rights to ground him from any and all superhero-ing. How will that factor into Avengers: Infinity War when Thanos comes to town? Before Peter faces the Mad Titan, he’ll have to get through Aunt May first.
There were lot of rumors about Zendaya’s role in Spider-Man: Homecoming, with pretty much all of it centered around whether she’d be playing frequent Peter Parker love interest Mary Jane—a theory that turned out to be false. Mostly.
Zendaya played a loner by the name of Michelle, but it’s revealed at the end of the film that “her friends call her MJ.” Which is, obviously, the frequent nickname of Mary Jane. It’s also worth noting Peter and Michelle share a bit of a glance in that moment, however fleeting. So will she fill the Mary Jane role in the MCU version of the Spider-verse? Right now, we don’t know, though it’s important to remember it wouldn’t be the first supporting player Marvel has shaken up along the way. The typical **** Flash was reframed as a rich kid played by Tony Revolori, who is less of a **** and more of a stuck-up brat. With Flash already seeing changes, the MCU version of “MJ” is ripe for a reimagining.
“Could this plant the seeds for that Damage Control TV series?”
Marvel has been kicking around plans to turn the franchise Damage Control into a TV series for a few years. It’s apparently stuck in development **** at this point, but Spider-Man: Homecoming gave us our best look yet at the government agency tasked with cleaning up after all the alien invasions and Avengers missions. We even get a look at Tyne Daly playing Anne Marie Hoag, the leader of the company in the comics. If nothing else, this is by far the biggest showcase for Damage Control on the big screen, and who knows, it could help kickstart that TV series once again.
Sometimes an Easter egg is just an Easter egg, and sometimes it’s a setup for something bigger. This one could go either way. With Thor set to return in a few months with Thor: Ragnarok, Happy Hogan revealed that he’s packing up Thor’s “magic belt” during the big move to the new Avengers headquarters upstate. Happy has a bit of trouble pronouncing the item’s name, and for good reason—he’s talking about Megingjörð. The belt is a key piece of Thor’s arsenal from the comics, and basically gives the already super-powered god even more strength in combat. As he heads off to the gladiatorial ring, he definitely might need it. Who knows? Maybe he’ll make a pitstop by the new Avengers HQ and pick it up.
He’s not a world-destroying A-lister, but Michael Keaton’s Vulture is easily one of the most memorable and menacing baddies in the MCU. So could we see him again? It certainly seems possible. The first post-credits scene finds Adrian Toomes in prison, being asked about Spider-Man’s secret identity. We know he knows it, but he decides to keep Peter’s secret—at least for now. The real question is why? Is Vulture showing loyalty to Spider-Man after Spidey saved his life, or is he playing it close to the vest to plot his own revenge when he eventually escapes or is released down the line? I’d be surprised if we’ve seen the last of Toomes.
He didn’t get much screen time or attention, but keen-eyed fans likely noticed the Scorpion’s introduction. Remember the character Toomes meets on the Staten Island Ferry as part of his weapons deal—and gets tossed off the boat by Spidey? That’s Mac Gargan, played by Michael Mando. In the comics, Gargan is better known as the Scorpion, a villain who’s tussled with Spider-Man a lot over the years. Gargan even pops up again in the post-credits scene, vowing vengeance on Spidey. With Marvel Studios keen to use lesser-known villains in its run of Spider-films, the Scorpion is one of the most obvious contenders on the list. His suit would make for some amazing fights on the big screen, and he’s a character who could definitely be expanded.
“Who else might be on this new-look Avengers roster?”
The story wraps up with Tony Stark attempting to introduce Spider-Man as the newest addition to the revamped Avengers roster (complete with a sweet new suit), but Peter decides he’s not quite ready and wants to be a Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man for a bit longer. Even though Spidey declines, this still makes it clear that Stark is the guy running the show for the Avengers (since Cap and his rogue team are still on the run in the wake of Captain America: Civil War). We know there will be a lot of new heroes coming around in Avengers: Infinity War, and it’s interesting to get a peek at Stark’s recruitment efforts while we wait for Thanos to arrive.
Though he turned Stark down in Homecoming, Spider-Man has been a key player in more than a few Avengers rosters (heck, even Miles Morales’ Spider-Man recently had a stint on a revamped Avengers team). You know he’ll eventually take the plunge to become one of Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. We already know he’ll be back in Avengers: Infinity War, but that doesn’t mean he’ll officially be on the team. The reason? Marvel really wants to let Peter keep being a kid for awhile, and there’s buzz the Homecoming sequel will still see him kicking around high school. Calculus is tough enough without working in Avenger duty on top of a college prep course load.
“Seriously, how many of those videos did Captain America make?”
Director Jon Watts pulled off one of the funniest Marvel post-credits scenes to date with the final scene in Homecoming, which featured Captain America in a low-budget, school film-style video talking about patience and dealing with the disappointment of not getting what you want after a wait (like a tease for Avengers: Infinity War). Instead we get Cap, making it clear the movie is over and we’ll have to wait until (at least) Thor: Ragnarok for something juicy. The Captain America videos were a running gag through pretty much the whole film, to hilarious effect—but seriously, how many of these did Cap make?
That one was funny. Also remember in Civil War when Tony visits Peter and May, he finds Peter’s homemade costume and is like ‘Can you even see through these?’
He might be responsible for bringing the Avengers together in the movies, but Nick Fury originally had nothing to do with the Avengers in the comics. The team came together when Loki was trying to mess with Thor and accidentally affected other heroes with his evil shenanigans. The heroes all liked their chemistry and kept hanging out together to stop the bigger threats to the world. Fury, on the other hand, was working his way up the ranks of S.H.I.E.L.D. The Avengers and S.H.I.E.L.D. were two separate organizations for a long time. They got along with each other, and the Avengers would often help Fury out, but he was never their boss. In fact, Nick Fury is not a part of the modern day Avengers. As far as the Avengers are concerned, Nick Fury is just a guy who smokes way too many cigars and occasionally needs a favor done that usually involves dealing with the occasional super villain or interplanetary threat.
“It’s understandable that a lot of people assume Captain America was one of the founding members of the Avengers—he’s pretty much a figurehead of the group, and his movie was even subtitled The First Avenger. If the filmmakers were trying to be accurate, however, they would have named his movie The Sixth Avenger, because that’s where he ranks.”
The modern depiction of Cap didn’t appear until the fourth issue of The Avengers, where he was discovered frozen in an iceberg. He quickly joined the team, replacing the Hulk, who quit because he was constantly getting into fights with his supposed comrades. Later on, Cap would be given a “founder status” within the Avengers, but that was only really done as a jab at the Hulk.
“It was basically Iron Man and Thor coming out and saying that they liked Steve Rogers more than Bruce Banner.”
“Towards the end of the first Iron Man movie, Agent Coulson reveals that he works for S.H.I.E.L.D. Throughout the movie, he kept referring to the organization by its full title, which is just too cumbersome for us to type and too lengthy for you to read. It was a nice easter egg for the end of the movie, and it only worked because no one knew who Phil Coulson was.” Before Iron Man, he had never appeared in a Marvel comic. He was popular with fans, returned for a few more movies, and was eventually introduced into the comics. He made an appearance in The Avengers, and his apparent death was actually the event that triggered the heroes putting aside their differences and working together. He’s basically what the Avengers are avenging!
“As a reward for his services, they gave him his own TV show that deals with all the unimportant and third-rate characters that you’ll probably never see in any of the movies.”
When people talk about The Avengers, they usually picture one team. In the comics, that’s not entirely true. Sure, there’s the official Avengers team, who live in the Avengers mansion (or Tower, depending on the time period). That team has also franchised out in the past, creating teams like the Avengers West Coast. However, there have also been a bunch of Avengers teams that aren’t officially approved.
“Basically any group of heroes in the Marvel Universe can call themselves Avengers, as long as they think of a new adjective to throw in the name. There’s the Mighty Avengers, the New Avengers, the Secret Avengers, the Avengers Initiative, and more—all with varying levels of validity. People act like being an Avenger is a big honor, but all anyone really needs are some friends who are willing to fight crime with them and hopefully a superpower or two.”
“Yeah we absolutely should!”
*We Can be Heroes starts to play*
I’d like to say sorry to @Rivergirl for all these notifications.
“The assumption about the creation of the Avengers was that Marvel decided to put all of their most popular heroes in one book. It’s the same thing DC did with Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman in the Justice League. But until recently, the Avengers team was made up of Marvel’s B and C list characters.”
Before the movies, Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America weren’t huge hits when compared to Marvel’s other lines of comics. The Hulk was an Avenger, but he left the team a long time before his comic series became popular. The Avengers, as they originally appeared, may have been better described initially as “Earth’s Misfit Heroes!” Unfortunately, that’s not going to sell a lot of comics, so Marvel went with the “Earth’s Mightiest Heroes” tagline instead.
For years, Marvel Cinematic Universe fans have been speculating about which of their on-screen heroes will survive the upcoming battle with Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War and which ones will bite the dust once and for all. The follow-up movie, Avengers 4, has already begun filming, but that movie’s title supposedly isn’t being released until Infinity War comes out because it’s a spoiler for what happens in its predecessor.
But now, thanks to a new interview, there’s one surprising Avenger who sounds as if he or she will survive Infinity War and make it to the battlefield in Avengers 4. I’ve carefully avoided even vaguely hinting at who this person might be thus far, but I’ll warn you now: there are possible spoilers below.
So, basically Avengers 4 will be called Avengers: Captain America’s Requiem. Avengers: Iron Man’s Funeral. Avengers: Hulk’s mourning. Avengers: You all knew he was going to die he had a infinty stone in his head. Avengers: Bows and burials. Avengers: Gokstad. (ok, so I can’t find the Norse word for funeral, so I just used a ship that was used in ship burials)
I always assumed that film would end on a dark, The Empire Strikes Back-style note with Thanos having achieved his goal of securing all six Infinity Stones for his powerful gauntlet and maybe even destroying a planet or two in the process; a cliffhanger with the Avengers hanging on by a thread, and maybe a last-second appearance of someone like Captain Marvel to get people to come back and see how they’ll turn things around in the next film.
But that ending would essentially mean that Vision would need to die, right? Because one of the Infinity Stones is embedded in his forehead. It doesn’t seem like he’d be able to survive if Thanos had that in a gauntlet, so either this movie doesn’t end with Thanos getting every stone, or maybe there’s some comic book science-y way that the team keeps Vision alive without it.
What do you think?
“Scarlet Witch was in love with this one guy but he died and some of his memories were transferred to Vison, but I could be wrong, so….”
The first time Vision appeared onscreen in Captain America: Civil War, he was phasing through the wall and into Wanda Maximoff’s bedroom. She says something about “we talked about this” and he earnestly responds that since the bedroom door was open, it seemed like an invitation.
“But that was the first scene — apart from the way he saved her in Age of Ultron — that had me thinking Marvel was definitely going to pay some sort of homage to Vision and Scarlet Witch’s relationship from the comics.”
Their first scene together (one of many in the film) subtly let the audience know that they have A) spent a lot of time together and B) spent a lot of that time alone.
“And they continued to share multiple, vulnerable scenes together. Once Iron Man appoints Vision to guard Wanda from leaving the compound, he takes it upon himself to cook dinner for her to lift her spirits. Sentient robot or not, he furthered the touching moment by admitting that he can sympathize with her fear of being too powerful since he has an infinity stone lodged right into his head and all.”
The situation becomes a little hairier as they find themselves on opposing teams. Vision holds the belief that strength invites challenge, and these challenges only lead to catastrophe. Meanwhile, Wanda feels more like the accountability of her actions is owed to humanity, not the government.
“She’s so ready to join the fight (against Vision’s well-articulated insistence not to) that she uses her hex powers to not only bring him to his knees but completely bury him in the ground. Way more than six feet under.”
“The extent of their relationship in the film is their conversation, brief conflict, and the effect that Wanda has on Vision’s concentration.
However, in the comic books, there’s a lot more to it.”
Scarlet Witch, the daughter of Magneto, and Vision, an android, are members of the Avengers team. Once they train and get a good reign on their cosmic strength, the two fall in love. While there is some slight opposition from other team members, they eventually win the Avengers’ blessings and wed.
“Later, Scarlet magically impregnates herself and she has twin boys named William and Thomas. I mean that very literally since Vision is an android, but just hold on, because it gets a little weirder.”
After Vision and Scarlet Witch take a small leave of absence, they join the West Coast Avengers team, which consists of Rhodey’s Iron Man and Wonder Man. Vision is dismantled by Immortus/Kang the Conqueror and rebuilt by Hank Pym (from the Ant-Man world) as an emotionless robot.
Comics, like all things, can get weird.
“She would have put “Strange” in there instead, but that’s a bit much, don’t you think?”
Both Quicksilver and Hawkeye objected their relationship. Her brother couldn’t believe that she would fall in love with a robot, while Hawkeye also loved her.
“To make matters worse, Vision and Wanda discover that their children’s souls contain remnants of the demonic villain Mephisto (maybe asexual reproduction wasn’t such a good idea after all) and Wanda loses the memory of her children altogether.”
Her memories are later restored, but it still puts a weight on her relationship with Vision who, by this time, has been deconstructed more than once. To keep things simple, let’s just say that Vision and Wanda break up as Wanda begins a relationship with the aforementioned Wonder Man. The pair doesn’t last that long and eventually Vision wins her back. I know, drama.
“I seriously doubt we’ll see any of this translated to the MCU, but there is one important comic storyline that I hope MCU is taking its beginning steps toward and that’s 2005’s House of M.”
In this series, Wanda suffers a mental breakdown after losing the memory of her (and, to some extent, Vision’s) children and is twisted into creating a parallel universe.
“Her trans-dimensional powers are too strong for even Professor X to control (she kills members of the Avengers, including Vision) and the X-Men nominate to kill her. If this sounds kind of familiar, it’s because we saw a similar storyline from Phoenix in Fox’s 2006 X-Men movie, The Last Stand.”
The reason I hope this will come to fruition is because we caught little glimpses of Scarlet Witch losing her cool in Captain America: Civil War and by the way she looked at the end being chained up and restrained, yet again, I felt like she was due a temper tantrum.
“Of course, the Russo brothers are more than welcome to deviate from the House of M script, considering Magneto probably won’t come around in the MCU and I doubt they’re going to introduce children into the mix, but I’d love to see the extent of Scarlet Witch’s power manifest onscreen.”
Elizabeth Olsen has brought the character’s sorcery to life so well that it would be pretty awesome to see her go all-out, even against someone like Vision, who also doesn’t know the extent of his powers quite yet. Civil War laid the foundation for their romantic chemistry in a way that seemed both genuine and natural.
“Who knows? Maybe demonic children wouldn’t be too hard to sell by the time Phase Four rolls around.”
Scarlet witch and her brother are mutants and Magneto’s children. Fox owns Magneto and X-MEN. Wonder how the MCU acquired those two.
Since Marvel has Blade again, (he’s a half-human half-vampire mercenary) do you think he might come to the MCU?
Why not? We have more fanciful movies in Thor, and space in Guardians of the Galaxy.
Pardon me if the comment chain is getting boring. I had pages filled with what I was going to talk about like Thor: Ragnarok, and I can’t recall exactly what I had written.
In the trailer, when Thor and Hulk are about to fight each other, Loki is visible. Is he just there to watch the show, or does he have a secret plan?
And he’s so handsome.
“He may be seeking the Infinity Stones.”
With their Phase 3 cinematic slate looming on the horizon, Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige sat down for a chat with Empire (via Comic Book Movie) and shared what they’re going to do differently on Ragnarok than on 2011’s Thor and 2013’s Thor: The Dark Word. He said:
‘It’s going to be, perhaps, as totally different from the two prior Thor movies as Winter Soldier was from the first Captain America. We want to take it to new places, we’ve got new characters that will show how big we’re swinging on this. And we have a Hulk.’
“Tonally, the first two Thor movies are already fairly different animals. The first film is more fantastic and magical, an introduction to a new side of the MCU with a budding romance at the core, while the follow up takes a darker approach, one that has more of a science fiction vibe.”
Still, it’s easy to see Feige’s point, as Captain America: The First Avenger and Captain America: The Winter Soldier are, despite featuring the same protagonist, such drastically different movies. One is essentially an origin story combined with a war film, while the other is almost a two-hander of a detective story.
“Thor: Ragnarok certainly has a number of different elements in play. We’ve spent a decent amount of time on Asgard before, but this time around we’ll be out there in the realms, and have little to no contact with Earth. Perhaps we’ll see some of what’s going on—maybe Heimdall will fill Thor in on what’s been going down with the events of Captain America: Civil War and the aftermath—but it likely won’t be too substantial and probably just serve to give the movie some context in the greater scheme of the MCU.”
And, of course, as Feige says, there’s the Hulk. We don’t really know what the Big Green Guy will be up to, or even how he’ll find his way to Asgard or wherever Thor finds him (wonder if it has something to do with Doctor Strange?), but since we’re not likely to get a solo Hulk movie anytime soon thanks to the bickering between Marvel and Universal, we’ll take him when we can get him and we’ll like it.
Chris Hemsworth spent his time in between Avengers: Age of Ultron and Thor: Ragnarok proving that he is a comedy powerhouse, by starring in movies like Vacation and Ghostbusters. He’s also shown that he can bring the funny to his own superhero franchise, with the Taika Waititi-directed Team Thor clips. Waititi has said that Ragnarok will take full advantage of these newly found skills, using them to lighten up what can be an overly serious set of films in a way that might be reminiscent of Robert Downey Jr.’s Tony Stark.
Director Taika Waititi says that he aims to have the audience leaving the theater with “a sense of joy” — according to Tom Hiddleston, Ragnarok will achieve this by showing off the funniest side of Thor yet. While this has made many fans nervous about the movie veering too far into laughs, Waititi promises it’s “not really a comedy,” but that it just occasionally works with a comedic tone. “I think sometimes people mistake a tonal shift as ‘We’re just going to make some ridiculous broad comedy where no one gives a s*** what happens and everyone gets ****** and sits around talking about saving the universe,'” Waititi told Entertainment Weekly. “We want people to care what happens and care that the hero succeeds. I think tonally it’s like a slight shift. I don’t feel nervous— I feel good about it.”
I know they’re in a hurry, but it wouldn’t hurt to be aware of whose things they’re taking.
“Ragnarok is sure to include all the angst and drama that you’d expect of a superhero film but, with the up-and-coming director at the helm, the movie may be able to move away from the drabness of the other Thor movies, and get closer to that perfect balance that made the Iron Man movies some of the most popular in the MCU.”
Ragnarok will feature one of the most anticipated Avengers team-ups: Thor and Bruce Banner (aka the Hulk). In Ragnarok, Thor will be sent to the desolate planet Sakaar by Cate Blanchett’s Hela (more on her later). Once he gets there, he’ll be forced to enter gladiatorial battles, at least one of which will be against the planet’s most popular fighter — the Incredible Hulk. The battle is sure to be one for the ages, pitting two of the most extreme fighters in the MCU against each other, and that alone should make Ragnarok worth a trip to the theater.
“Salazar Slytherin! How could you have mistaken it for that?”
Thor will be facing one of his most intense opponents without his greatest weapon: his hammer. When Thor is made into a gladiator, his hammer is taken away and replaced with a few swords and a can-do attitude. On top of all of that, his signature long hairdo gets cut off, giving him the hip new look revealed in the first images from the film. (Something which, by the way, Hemsworth has said revitalized him as both an actor and as Thor, which is always a good thing.)
“The Hulk/Thor battle already seems like one of the best on-screen fights to come out of the MCU, and adding the extra wrinkle of being without his trusty weapon should make it even greater. Thor without his hammer is like a PB&J without peanut butter, and it should be very interesting to see how he handles some pretty intense fights without his favorite weapon by his side.”
After Thor and Hulk battle it out, the two will team up to find Thor’s missing father, Odin. According to Waititi, the search will basically be a superhero road trip, giving a chance for both Hemsworth and Mark Ruffalo to show off their comedic abilities while drawing inspiration from some pretty famous movies, including 48 Hrs., Withnail and I, and Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.
“However, Waititi says that the movie that matches it the closest (and the film he used when he pitched his idea for Ragnarok) is Kurt Russell’s Big Trouble in Little China. ‘Big Trouble in Little China was one of those films where Jack Burton is a buffoon but he’s lovable and you’re with him the entire way,’ he told Entertainment Weekly. “I thought Thor has got to be the one you want to be with in every scene.” It won’t just be Thor showing off on the road trip though — the plot will also give a chance for Bruce Banner to shine more than he has previously in the MCU, with Ruffalo saying he will be “much more of a character than the green rage machine you’ve seen in the Avengers movies … He’s got a swagger,” he added. ‘He’s like a god.'”
A superhero road trip may sound like a ridiculous concept, but it actually played out pretty well in one recent, wildly popular blockbuster: Logan. Director James Mangold said he pitched the movie as Little Miss Sunshine with Wolverine, and, although his movie was (literally) a lot more grounded, the idea clearly has legs. Even though Ragnarok’s road trip is likely to be a lot more celestial, it can still hopefully draw on many of the same familiar-yet-superhero-ified tropes that ended up making Logan so great.
You’re the only one who gets my Marvel references, whether they be about Watchers, Knowhere, or the Civil War airport battle orange slices.
“He shouldn’t have.”
Doctor Strange’s post-credits scene showed the sorcerer meeting Thor for the first time (at least, we think), and it has been confirmed that the two will speak again in Ragnarok. Marvel CEO Kevin Feige says that the meeting is one of the few things that will happen on Earth in the film — although it hasn’t been confirmed if Doctor Strange will join Thor on his journey, or if they just meet in NYC, if the Asgardian hero is willing to travel that far to meet the surgeon, then clearly its important that the two chat.
“Benedict Cumberbatch was great in his first outing as the character, and it will be fun to see him on-screen again, and to see Doctor Strange become a little more integrated into the rest of the MCU. His inclusion should also hopefully help answer some of the questions about how the more magical pieces of the MCU fit in with the rest of the franchise, and it will be fun to see him on-screen again, and to see Doctor Strange become a little more integrated into the rest of the MCU. His inclusion should also hopefully help answer some of the questions about how the more magical pieces of the MCU fit in with the rest of the franchise, and may even give a bit of a glimpse at Marvel’s future.”
“Cate Blanchett’s Hela is the first female villain for the Thor franchise, and, from what we know about her so far, it seems like she might be the scariest villain Thor has faced yet. Hela, the goddess of death, escapes from an Asgardian dungeon after Loki took over the throne by impersonating his father in The Dark World, letting chaos rain on Asgard. The goddess will be responsible for Thor’s exile to Sakaar, but she won’t stop there, with Blanchett teasing, ‘Everyone is too perfect [in Asgard]. Why not mess it all up?’ According to the synopsis, Hela’s messing up of things could go so far as triggering Ragnarok — the titular end of Asgardian civilization — which means some pretty high stakes for Thor and his team.”
Blanchett says that Hela will go through “a journey,” and that you’ll hopefully come to understand why she’s a villain, something which should help to set her apart from the many, many bad guys who we’ve seen in the MCU over the years. With a two-time Oscar winner playing her and with a pretty fierce look, Hela definitely seems like a villain whom viewers will want to watch.
“The fact that Marvel was finally able to land Jeff Goldblum in one of their movies proves Ragnarok is going to offer something different. Goldblum will play the Grandmaster, who rules over Sakaar and decrees Thor must be hairless and hammerless. (He also has the power to make Thor agree to those tough conditions, which says something in and of itself.)”
Goldblum has described the Grandmaster as a “hedonist” and a “pleasure-seeker” — with the intense fashion he rocks in the film’s first images, it seems like the character will be the space version of a Roman emperor. In Thor’s universe, that will definitely be something to watch.
“Thor’s previous bae, Jane Foster, won’t be showing up in Ragnarok because true love isn’t actually real and the two broke up. Instead, Westworld’s Tessa Thompson will take over the female lead as a ****** warrior named Valkyrie, whom Hemsworth says Thor is actually a bit of a “fanboy” for (which we can totally get behind). Thompson isn’t ******** around when it comes to preparing for the part, saying she went through some pretty ******** training to be able to properly show off Valkyrie’s fighting skills, using Terminator 2’s Sarah Connor as inspiration.”
Valkyrie seems like she may have a bit of villainous streak to her, as she’s the one who brings Thor to the Grandmaster and gets him involved in the gladiatorial contests in the first place. While we don’t yet know how much of a role Valkyrie will play in Hulk’s journey outside of Sakaar, we do know that on the planet, she’ll be a hard-drinking, hard-fighting warrior who will definitely be compelling to watch.
“Tom Hiddleston’s Loki is always great, and it’s exciting to see him back in the MCU after the four-year break following The Dark World. Loki seems to be getting into quite a lot of trouble in Ragnarok, after impersonating his father Odin so he can take over the throne. His loose governance is what leads to Hela’s release, something which can’t make the Asgardians (and specifically, Thor) too happy with the trickster.”
However, according to Hiddleston, Hela’s villainy will force the two to team up, relying on their brotherhood, “fractured though it is,” to stop the goddess’ destruction. The Thor-Loki pairing is one of the best in the MCU and, from Hiddleston’s comments, it seems like it will be tested in the most extreme way yet during Ragnarok.
Not much is known about the next two Avengers movies, aside from how they’re are currently filming back-to-back, and that they’re due out in May of 2018 and 2019. The films will likely mark an end to Marvel’s Phase 3, and could result in the end of many famous MCU characters (Thor included).
“Ragnarok is one of the last films before the the first of the two Avengers films, Infinity War, is released, and it will likely do quite a lot of set up the upcoming team-up. The pairings of Thor, the Hulk, and Doctor Strange all hint at more meet-ups ahead, and the movie’s celestial plot will probably mean we’ll get at least a passing mention of the MCU’s big bad, Thanos.
The film will also likely have mid-credits and post-credits scenes that do even more towards setting up the future. Even if you’re not a Thor fan, Ragnarok will likely be worth a trip to the theater, because of all the groundwork it will lay for Infinity War.”
‘We made a shocking discovery-”
DEADPOOL MAY HAVE LIFTED THOR’S HAMMER
Deadpool, worthy of Mjolnir? In Deadpool (1997) #37, after another plot against Thor is thwarted, Loki creates an Asgardian hammer just for Deadpool. Will Wade Wilson wield the hammer responsibly?
“They say with great power comes great irresponsibility.”
“Thor drops the hammer and Deadpool takes advantage of the relative chaos to locate it first; deprived of the object that allows him to transform into his godlike form, Thor takes on the appearance of his human alter ego and Deadpool is suddenly sprouting a cape.
He goes on to take the hammer along on the usual irreverent Deadpool misadventures. However, there is a catch: Deadpool wasn’t actually in possession of the real Mjolnir. The real one was still lying where Thor had dropped it, made invisible by Loki, who also created the false one that would give Deadpool the illusion of Thor’s powers and in the process cause a lot of trouble for everyone. Still, it was fun while it lasted.”
“Now I’m imaging Deadpool playing festival games, and batting around some baseballs mid-game with Mjolnir.”
Hailing from an alien from a race known as Korbinites, Beta Ray Bill became a partially cyborg protector of his home planet after it was decimated by a demon from Thor’s homeworld Asgard. On a mission to find a new place to live, Bill came into contact with Thor himself. They fought and Mjolnir got away from Thor, which is when Bill discovered he was able to pick it up. There was no trickery involved; it was purely because he was worthy and wanted to use it to protect his people.
“Odin recognized this and decided the fair way to resolve this situation would be for Bill and Thor to fight it out – again. Bill won again, but that didn’t mean he got to keep the hammer; instead, as a pretty sweet consolation prize, Odin created a new hammer for him called Stormbreaker that Bill could wield himself. One interesting thing about Bill is that he was designed to be purposefully hideous, to throw audiences off until his inner nobility was revealed.”
The Marvel What If…? series explores storylines that differ slightly from the accepted canon, diverging at important moments and delving into an alternate reality. One such story takes the moment when Rogue and others in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants attack the Avengers. In the regular canon, Rogue’s ability to absorb the life force of others had her zapping Carol Danvers of her powers and vitality. Instead, What If…Rogue Possessed the Power of Thor? had Rogue doing the same to Thor, killing him and in the process gaining enough of his intrinsic Thor-ness to be able to control the hammer. Rather than being worthy on her own, Mjolnir seems to recognize her as Thor.
“The resultant surge of power kills Vision and Iron Man, and also leads to the deaths of everyone in the Brotherhood. Rogue is understandably at a very low place, at which point Loki smarms in to take advantage of the situation. His plan is to use Rogue to take out Odin, leaving them free to conquer both Asgard and Earth. She goes along at first until a visit from Thor’s spirit convinces her to honor her new position as the Goddess of Thunder and do some good with it.”
“I have a feeling that’s another sign Vision and Tony are going to die.”
Marvel’s Ultimate Universe is an alternate world that is known for its darker and grittier take on familiar heroes. In that world, Magneto lost his children Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch and the ensuing grief drove him to extreme actions. Magneto’s electromagnetic powers gave him the ability to manipulate all kinds of metals, and it turned out that Mjolnir was no exception to Magneto’s sphere of influence. Magneto wasn’t actually able to lift the hammer, but he was able to manipulate the air around it to much the same effect.
“However, in the main Marvel universe, Magneto is unable to control Thor’s hammer at all. The hammer is forged from a particular metal not native to Earth called Uru, and because it is not native to Earth, it’s less able to be controlled by Magneto. That doesn’t exactly explain what’s different about the Ultimate universe, but hey – they’re not comics if they don’t have a couple of plot holes.”
168 to go.
Natasha Romanoff got her shot at Mjolnir in another What If…? issue, in which Thor is, once again, dead thanks to the catastrophic events of Ragnarok, an apocalypse based in Norse mythology that takes the lives of all the superpowered heroes. This leaves behind all the heroes without special abilities and, when it comes time to battle the Frost Giants, that’s a problem.
“As everyone is getting overwhelmed, Natasha is sent out to retrieve the hammer. There are no tricks or loopholes involved in her being able to lift it, aside from the general alternate universe theme of the story; she is simply worthy of Mjolnir in that moment. Some have theorized that having the heart of a warrior is of great importance when utilizing Thor’s hammer – it doesn’t only require nobility and honor, but certain qualities that would be admirable to a society of Norse warrior gods. Natasha may have a morally grey background, but she is certainly a warrior.”
“Just like how in the original DuckTales, the Junior Woodchucks build battleships out of asparagus.”
And tuning forks are the equivalent of a sonic screwdriver.
You’ve never heard of Webbigail, have you? Scrooge McDuck’s housekeeper’s granddaughter? She got a huge reimagining in the reboot, and that’s what was referred to in the last comment.
In the old one she was the token girl and did literally Nothing. So she was due a personality.
In an episode, the new Webbigail had a doll of her old self hanging and stabbed with pins. No joke.
“We know that they’re not going to make her like that again for sure.”
Another minor detail: how does Donald have fingerprints if he has feathers instead of real fingers?
Why did it take until the original DuckTales to put Donald in the Navy? He’s been in the Army a couple times and at one point was even a Na zi (how the **** did that happen?) I’ve never seen a duck be so absent from water!
“Still trying to live in Scrooge’s pool. He needs his independence, you know! Even if he catches the boat on fire.”
Life is like a hurricane
Here with the Doctor
“Space cars, lasers, time machines
It’s the Doctor”
Might solve a mystery
“Or travel through history”
In The Lego Batman Movie, when a fleet of Daleks appears, Joker quips ‘Ask your nerd friends.’ XD
The whole movie’s stuffed with easter eggs, meta-jokes, and broken fourth walls.
You could probably watch it twenty times and still not have found or heard them all.
In Dimensions, the Lego Batman Movie levels have cutscenes that deviate from the film. The plot goes in a different direction.
They didn’t do that in the Fantastic Beasts or Ghostbusters 2016 levels.
I dreamed of seeing the characters I’ve been longing to see in Dimensions on shelves with the rest.
Goosebumps, Hotel Transylvania, Fantastic Four (not the 2015 one), Lego’s Elves, to name a few.
SGE would be awesome, especially if Hester was a playable character.
‘Since they’ve included Portal and Sonic, how about The Legend of Zelda?”
Eric Masterson has the makings of a very traditional heroic backstory: he was a very normal man who found himself in extraordinary circumstances and rose to the challenge.
“Eric was just a regular guy, a construction worker, when he came into contact with the God of Thunder. He was the collateral damage in a throwdown between Thor and the villain Mongoose, but Odin recognized Eric’s intrinsic decency so he saved his life in the only way he could: Odin merged Thor and Eric into one person.”
For a while, Eric functioned as Thor’s identity when he wasn’t running around in a cape and helmet – any time Thor needed to be a civilian, he assumed the identity of Eric Masterson.
“This was how Eric was able to use Mjolnir. However, eventually Thor and Eric were able to separate again, with Odin forging a new weapon just for Eric: a mace called Thunderstrike. The Allfather is just giving those out like candy on Halloween, it seems.”
Awesome Android, also known as Awesome Andy, is a robot built by an evil inventor called the Mad Thinker. Awesome Android was created as both a servant and an underling, someone to do the Thinker’s bidding without asking any questions. However, he was also designed to be able to absorb the abilities and talents of others to become more powerful; this had the unfortunate (for the inventor) side effect of making Awesome Andy sentient. He is able to be freed from the control of the Mad Thinker and strikes out on his own.
His ability to copycat any quality he came into contact with led to Awesome Andy being able to copy that specific quality that makes Thor who he is: his nobility and purity of purpose. Because of that, Andy could lift Mjolnir, which was the event that sparked off his quest for independence in the first place. Experiencing Thor’s sense of justice made him able to seek justice for himself.
“Maybe you only thought you saw that before.”
The film Avengers: Age of Ultron delivered a mini twist in the form of newly created humanoid robot, the Vision, being able to casually pick up Thor’s hammer and hand it to him. Though it functioned as a quick gag in the movie, it also served the purpose of proving that the Vision was trustworthy when no one had any other evidence to go on. This is unique to the Marvel Cinematic Universe; the Vision’s comic book counterpart has not been shown to lift the hammer.
“Part of Vision’s ability to do so involves reasons similar to Awesome Andy: as a robot, he doesn’t quite follow the same rules as his human colleagues. Although they can lift the hammer, doing so doesn’t give either android the full powers of Thor. Even so, it is a shorthand way to show you a lot about a new character; loopholes aside, seeing anyone else besides Thor with Mjolnir makes an impact on the audience.”
“If the part about Andy was already said, it was an error.”
As a mutant with the powers of weather manipulation, X-Men member Storm has something in common with the God of Thunder right off the bat. However, her tangle with Mjolnir is once again thanks to the interference of Loki; he really lives up to his title as the God of Mischief.
“Loki created a similar hammer called Stormcaster that he gave to Storm as part of his continued machinations for the Asgardian throne. It gave her powers similar to Thor’s, but Storm wasn’t interested in Loki’s games and power plays. She rejected Stormcaster, though many years later she came to hold it again. As a newly empowered Goddess of Thunder, she battled with Thor, but instead of harming him she snagged Mjolnir so that she could destroy Stormcaster once and for all. So not only did Storm prove herself worthy, she also willingly gave up incredible power twice – seemingly more proof that she is deserving of the honor.”
“It probably isn’t a surprise to learn that Captain America is worthy, considering his good heart and steadfast morals. Cap is all about honesty and doing what’s right, but he’s also not afraid to lead the charge into battle, making him fit the bill pretty perfectly when it comes to lifting Mjolnir, which he has done more than once.”
All of those times times involved the Avengers in some serious danger, facing huge threats that knocked Thor out of commission and left Cap to pick up the slack. The first time, Cap merely returned the hammer to Thor (though it didn’t work for Superman, but comic book loopholes don’t always stick), and the second occasion involved Cap grabbing the second occasion involved Cap grabbing the hammer after his trademark shield had been shattering in a big brawl. He used it to rally the other Avengers to fight their enemy the Serpent. Unfortunately Cap didn’t get a cool new cape out of the deal.
Did you see anything unusual in the part about loopholes?
“Superman got his hands not only on Thor’s hammer but also Captain America’s shield, making for a pretty iconic cover to the fourth issue. Superman was able to use Mjolnir once to deliver an important blow to the enemy, but later in the issue when he tried to pick up the hammer to return it to Thor, he could no longer lift it. The series’ writer Kurt Busiek defined worthiness as not just being an inherent quality but something that can change moment to moment. Sometimes it was tied to a specific action: defeating the villain was a worthy goal, so Superman was worthy then, but just handing the hammer back? Doesn’t count.”
How did Superman end up in a Marvel comic?
DC Comics and Marvel had been planning a big crossover for a long time before it eventually came to fruition.
“The deal to produce a few crossover titles started negotiations in 1979, but after a lot of push and pull, the project ended up being shelved for years. JLA/Avengers wasn’t released until 2003. Luckily it had a lot of flash and dramatics to make up for the wait.”
Although JLA/Avengers was a big crossover years in the making, but there was a short series in the 90s that pitted classic characters from Marvel and DC against each other to see who would come out on top – a little bit like Celebrity Deathmatch for comics. Wonder Woman’s opponent was X-Men‘s Storm, though prior to the rumble she had a shot with Mjolnir. Thor lost his hammer in his own battle with DC’s Captain Marvel, which is when Wonder Woman stumbled upon it.
She picked it up easily (while remarking to herself about the subjectivity of “worthiness”) and got a serious jolt of power that definitely would have given her an edge over her opponent.
“However, that honor that made Wonder Woman so very worthy also made her too noble to fight with an obvious advantage, so she gave up the hammer in order to have a fair fight with Storm. Honor doesn’t necessarily win a fight, though, and Storm ultimately took home the victory.”
After multiple entries dealing in Loki royally messing things up just out of a self-serving thirst for power, it may come as a surprise to learn he once accomplished his ultimate goal: to possess the power of Thor. Having been jealous of Thor, Loki had gone through just about every scheme and trick he could to get Mjolnir, or at least get it away from Thor.
When an event called the Inversion caused Loki to become the God of Truth instead of his usual mischief and evil, he becomes a new Avenger (and an inverted Thor becomes a new villain). Loki also finally becomes worthy of Mjolnir, which he discovers when he reaches for it during a battle with the newly belligerent Thor. However, the Inversion is undone during the brawl, causing Loki to once again lose Mjolnir.
When a Thor title featured a female iteration of the character on the cover, it grabbed a lot of media attention – especially when the creators behind it insisted the new mystery woman was Thor. She wasn’t Lady Thor, she was the real deal; even so, she wasn’t the Thor everyone had come to know, and the discovery of her true identity was a driving force in the story. It was eventually revealed to be none other than Thor’s on-again/off-again love interest Jane Foster.
The new Thor had taken over at a time when the original Thor (going by Odinson when de-powered) was no longer worthy of Mjolnir.
While at first Odinson attempts to take his hammer back, he comes to respect the abilities of Jane and gives her his blessing to continue on in his stead. Odinson had initially dismissed the idea that Jane might be the one wielding Mjolnir solely because he knew she was undergoing chemotherapy for breast cancer, but it turns out that while transformed she was perfectly healthy – though when she wasn’t, Jane’s cancer was actually getting worse because of the toll transformation took on her body. Despite that, Jane Foster is still the current Thor, and has perhaps proven herself the worthiest of all.
Well, the Merc still has his, but the healing factor does help, while Jane has it off and on, but in the long term, it’s getting worse.
“Ant-Man has been running around trying to help in almost every Marvel movie, but he was so small that no one saw him.”
What if, at one point, the MCU briefly had a montage of Lang trying to help in the Battle of New York or other movies and he’s yelling “Hey guys! Over here!” Kind of like what happens to me during basketball. I swear I turn invisible then. Nobody, even my teammates, sees me as I’m doing whatever I can to help.
Even if no one else is open, my teammates still won’t notice me.
It’s a wonder if I end up touching the ball for a second.
I do try hard to help my team win, even if it means accidentally smacking the other team’s faces in the process every now and then.
“In the original origin story, Scott Lang stole the Ant-Man suit so he could use it to save his daughter, Cassie. He proves himself along the way, and Pym decides to give him his suit and let him officially take up the mantle.
But it doesn’t work that way in the movie. Here Pym picks Scott out of all the people in the world to wear the suit. We’re told he’s aware of Scott being an ex-con and believes Scott deserves a second chance. But, still—with the fate of the world on the line, he recruits a criminal who knows nothing about the superhero world.”
(*not knowing what to say about your homophone usage*)
“Pym has to assume Scott will actually put the outfit he understandably mistook for a motorcycle suit on and start pushing buttons. Then he assumes Scott will survive his first shrinking experience with no clue of what’s actually happening to him. Then .. you get the idea. Sure, it made for a cool action sequence, but Hank’s plan is absurd when you break it down. Scott’s an unemployed ex-con. It’s not like he has a lot of prospects in the first place, right?”
Oh. Since I’ve never heard of that before, I wasn’t sure how to respond.
I do concede that the shrinking murder gun Darren Cross uses early in the film to take out the condescending government official is pretty much the perfect weapon, right? Couldn’t Cross just market that thing and make a billion dollars on that alone? Seriously, it’s a gun that makes the victim disappear. That’s a complete game-changer in the murder business. Sure you have some residue to wipe off, but there’s no bodies riddled with bullets.
“Scott takes a trip to the new Avengers facility to steal a piece of tech, where he meets up with Falcon and has one heck of a wild fight. Scott trips an alarm, and Falcon pops up to investigate. Which is awesome! Hey, we love a good crossover as much as the next fan, and it helps set up Ant-Man’s introduction in Captain America: Civil War. But is Falcon seriously the only guy protecting this super-secret base that is apparently loaded with dangerous technology? It makes enough sense that Falcon would be hanging around the base, but how does he not have any backup there? And going beyond superhero backup, there aren’t even any security guards around: Falcon is the only person we see at the entire base. It’s like Xavier’s mansion in Deadpool—is that just the only character they could afford?”
The fate of Janet Van Dyne, the original Wasp, doesn’t seem to be that much of a secret–the folks at S.H.I.E.L.D. apparently know, and Hank tells Scott-
“So why does Hank keep her fate a secret from Hope for her entire life? He says he’s trying to protect her, but how is telling her she died in a car crash any better than the fact that she disappeared into a quantum realm?”
Hope knows about the Pym particle and shrinking technology, and she understands what happens when you shrink, so as an adult she would’ve obviously understood the science behind it. Plus, wouldn’t it be better to let Hope know her mother died a hero, instead of just in a random car crash?
“There doesn’t seem to be any reason at all to keep this from her other than to manufacture movie drama.”
(Speaking of suspense, I do want to mention how come Teen Titans was cancelled and we never got season 6, but I’ll save that for later, perhaps in a different convo.)
“This seems to be a recurring problem within MCU movies, and it’s one Marvel still hasn’t really addressed. In Iron Man 3, it was the Extremis tech that Tony Stark apparently masters at the end, then immediately never mentions again. Here, it’s shrinking technology. Hank Pym mastered it decades ago, and after S.H.I.E.L.D. ****** him off, he took it back home and locked it up. So in all that time, we’re to believe S.H.I.E.L.D (or someone else) never made a play for this technology? Especially considering Hank just had it locked it up in an old safe that Scott takes out in about 15 minutes?”
This technology could change the world, as we see in the flashback news reels where young Hank goes on missions and takes out entire platoons all by himself.
“This could solve world hunger by growing larger food, and revolutionize commerce by making it easier to move giant products. It’s earth-shaking, but we never heard anything about it again after Ant-Man faded to black.”
“Possible side effects, though.”
We’re told Hank Pym stopped rocking the Ant-Man suit because the years of shrinking and growing took a toll on his body, but Scott … doesn’t seem all that worried about it, right? Scott is obviously a brave guy who steps up to save the world when called upon. But doesn’t he have any questions at all about how all this shrinking might affect his mind and body over time? Not even after realizing Hank had to stop using the tech for this very reason? Scott has a family. If he wants to be around to see his little girl grow up, you’d think he’d ask a few questions to make sure his brain doesn’t get too scrambled.
Unlike Hope’s outfit, which comes with wings, in the comics Janet gets wings when she shrinks ( something to do with her particles).
“Maybe Hank Pym’s suit was designed more for close combat (or activities that wings might get in the way of) and Janet’s was for being an-eye-in-the-sky or for aerial combat.”
Was Wasp ever huge, like Scott was in Civil War? Yes.
“One Reddit user commented ‘I think she was a stomp about, smashing stuff girl.'”
Though to be honest, Hope’s better at the stuff than Scott. Except disarming alarms.
“Hank would rather keep his loved ones further from the front line, so he goes in and let’s them be the eye-in-the-sky.”
If Scott ended up getting wings, the first test run would be something to see.
“Without intervention, Hope and Hank would probably be getting a corpse out of his suit.”
Now I’m remembering Scott walking up in pajamas with ants keeping guard.
And when I first watched Ant-Man (my first Marvel movie-
“That originally you didn’t want to see”-)
The moment the ants start clearing a way for Scott to get to the door, my brother whispered to me, ‘Do they think he’s one of them?’ to which my response now would be, ‘Ned, no!’
This was what I said before I decided to see what happens: ‘A guy that shrinks to the size of an ant? I bet he’ll be having the time of his life when he’s a splatter of blood on the bottom of someone’s shoe!’
“But little 2015 you was wrong.”
The only reason I was so excited for Civil War was because of the Airport Battle. ‘Forget Cap and Tony; I want want more Scott!’
I have often dreamed of a far off time
Where an Ant-Man sequel would be watched by me
Where the crowds would cheer, when they see the film
And a voice keeps saying in the MCU it’s meant to be
On Ant-Man and Wasp as well as The Incredibles 2:
A thousand years would be worth the wait
It might take a lifetime but somehow I’ll see it though
I DON’T WANT JACK-JACK TO STILL BE A BABY! NOR FOR VIOLET TO BE JUST A BABYSITTER.
Having it take place directly after seems to narrow the possibilities, like ‘oh, we’re back here again?’
If all else fails….
*Only my Cheshire Cat grin’s visible*
…. I will have plenty of fun tearing it to shreds.
*reappears between the banisters*
As Mary Poppins says, find the fun in it and any chore’s a game.
*has mostly recovered from the comment chain of your post asking for movie recommendations*
My library never has the Harry Potter movies in order. Apparently no one minds having 1, 7 part 2, 5, 3, 7, 2, and 4.
Reading books a several feet away without my glasses is very useful.
One day when Janet thinks she going to see if her particles are doing okay, some imposter of her doctor turns her into a bio bomb where in the middle of a battle she uncontrollably shrinks and grows.
Of course, Janet’s a giant target, so everybody attacks her.
*Ukelele music plays*
“All I want to do
Is see you turn into
A giant woman,
A giant woman….”
When she shrunk again, she ended up in the quantum realm.
“If Captain Marvel gained her powers back in the twentieth century, where has she been ever since? Why didn’t she get involved back when the Chitauri invaded? The questions became even more pressing when we learned that Captain Marvel won’t be appearing in Avengers: Infinity War. It seems even the prospect of Thanos’s invasion won’t tempt the hero into making an appearance.”
So how will Marvel explain away Carol Danvers’s mysterious absence? It’s possible that the explanation may lie in the Quantum Zone…
“You’re probably not familiar with Dr. Spiros Michalakis. He’s one of #Marvel’s advisers, a quantum physicist at the California Institute of Technology, and he’s been heavily involved with supporting films such as Ant-Man and Doctor Strange. He’s one of the scientists who, behind the scenes, has helped Marvel Studios firm up the rules for their more exotic concepts. He was particularly involved with developing the Quantum Realm, which is set to be crucial to Ant-Man and the Wasp.”
In an interview with Inverse, Michalakis made a throwaway comment that the Quantum Realm will actually be important to Captain Marvel too. As he noted:
“[The Quantum Realm] is exciting for the future. There are different ways that some of these ideas appear on-screen in a few years. Not just for Ant-Man, but also for Captain Marvel and all of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.”
It makes sense; in the comics, Carol Danvers is actually the second hero to go by the code-name Captain Marvel. The first was a Kree warrior who visited Earth, and who was armed with powerful Quantum Bands. For a time, this Kree hero shared the body of teenager Rick Jones. Only one could control the body at a time, and the waiting consciousness would reside in the Negative Zone until they swapped round. It wouldn’t take too much to substitute the Quantum Realm for Negative Zone.
It seems possible the Quantum Bands will actually appear in Captain marvel. Given we know the Quantum Realm will somehow figure in the film, the link seems too strong to be a coincidence. Maybe there will be some body-sharing.
“In Ant-Man, we learn that it’s possible for someone to get trapped in the Quantum Realm. We can also be pretty confident that those who experience this can survive for a number of years; after all, Michelle Pfeiffer is playing Janet Van Dyne, the original Wasp who became trapped in the Quantum Realm, in Ant-Man and the Wasp. So could Captain Marvel wind up trapped in the Quantum Realm?”
If that’s the case, then it would neatly explain why Carol Danvers hasn’t been saving the world since the ’90s. Like Steve Rogers, she’s a woman out of time, and it would be down to Marvel to decide how to bring her back in the present day. With several heroes tampering with the Quantum Realm, most notably Ant-Man and Doctor Strange, there are a lot of options.
Having Captain Marvel trapped in the Quantum Realm would essentially mirror a plot that ran in the comics, back in the early 2000s. There, the original Captain Marvel apparently returned, revealing that he’d encountered “a wrinkle in time” that had transported him into the present-day Marvel universe.
“In the end, though, it actually turned out that this version was a Skrull impostor! It’s possible that Marvel Studios intend to adapt that idea, although I think it’s unlikely the new franchise lead will become a Skrull.”
Instead, Carol Danvers could well be lost in the Quantum Realm, and somehow get out. Marvel may even choose to tease her return in an end-credits scene, say one in Ant-Man and the Wasp, and then follow it up with the story of how she became trapped in the first place.
“The Quantum Realm is known as the Microverse in the Marvel comics universe, but the two function in largely the same way. Once an individual shrinks to a small enough size, they are shoved through a nexus that transports them into the dimension. In other words, the Microverse itself isn’t tiny, but the gateways to enter it are.”
This dimension was created by time traveller Prince Wayfinder, who came from an alternate future where humanity had been forced to leave Earth and spread across the galaxy. After his people, the Ithacons, survived a war with the savage Haaman, Wayfinder used the Sword in the Star to transport himself and the Ithacons into the past. Once there, the Sword shrank these denizens beyond subatomic size and created the Microverse, their new home. In the modern day, many Marvel heroes have adventured in the Microverse, and this unusual world had its own team of superheroes at one point called The Micronauts.
In Ant-Man, Hank Pym describes the Quantum Realm as an alternate dimension that can be accessed if someone shrinks down to a small enough size. Once in this dimension, time and space become irrelevant. This may sound cool at first, but as it turns out, it’s not as easy to get out as it is to get in.
Scott found himself in a bizarre reality that looked…well, if you’ve seen Interstellar, it looked similar to that: a realm filled with energy waves and infinite reflections of the person trapped.
– space and time are altered
– a lot harder to get out than it is to get in
– infinite reflections
– realm itself isn’t tiny but gateways are
Just a few examples.
You’d have to be very small to be able to travel through the tiniest shards of glass or the reflections in eyes.
Also once you’ve entered the mirror realm, I don’t think you continue shrinking.
Many of the reflections are links to points in space and time.
I guess you could use it to time travel, but not so efficiently.
“In other words, if you want to go to a specific point, you should start looking.”
“The DeLorean, Wells’ machine, mirror traveling… just take the **** T.A.R.D.I.S.”
I had been looking up an answer to that question, and at some points it does seem to hint at that having happened.
Let’s not forget Mr. Peabody’s giant red orb…. possibly the most conspicuous time machine ever.
Mr. Peabody is a dog who travels through time with a child he adopted.
‘If a boy can adopt a dog, then why can’t a dog adopt a boy?’
Um, there’s no shortage of reasons.
Who put glasses on an infant? You pay all that money into getting the spectacles, and then you abandon him.
Maybe it was the cost of that, as well as the eye appointments and likely a spare pair.
“They realized it wasn’t worth the investment.”
‘Can we get a refund when we return Sherman? He’s causing us to bleed money.’
Now I see what will happen… Sherman is sent to the release section of the hospital.
He’s wheeled in through the doors and is never seen again. It’s painless and quick, like falling asleep.
Put two and two together, and it’s crystal clear. I deduced that from the first chapter of The Giver, though it Jonas half the book to figure that out.
“But that not what Spirit was referring to.”
After the Quartet reached its peak with Gathering Blue, it started to fall. It did it’s best when doing its own thing.
In Messenger and Son, it was wearing thin and starting to feel generic.
With Son, I didn’t like the whole “defeat this guy and all is right in the world” idea.
Even if I have to sort out inter-dimensional politics, I’ll make sure that doesn’t end up in my stories.
“Ultron might get top billing, but Tony Stark is inadvertently the real villain of this movie. He tinkers with technology and magic he doesn’t understand and sets the whole thing running on autopilot. Then (surprise!) an evil AI is born from the ultra-powerful Infinity Stone. As you’d expect, Stark has no idea how it works. He sees the thing is putting off some type of computer code, so he tries to turn it into an AI? How does that seem like a good idea? He doesn’t consider the thought that the hyper-advanced alien AI might not want to play nice?”
Then when he’s called out by Captain America, he gets defensive and shifts the blame. His intentions to create an AI to protect the world may have been noble, but Stark was wildly irresponsible in that all-important execution phase. He plugs this thing in and starts chugging along, and an evil AI that almost destroys the world is born in a matter of hours. It seems like an unrealistic level of headstrong, even for Stark.
“By the time we check in with Peter Parker in Spider-Man: Homecoming, he’s already been bitten by a radioactive spider, fought with the Avengers, and seen his unfortunate uncle Ben die a tragic death, which means that he needs a new role model. Enter Tony Stark, a.k.a. Iron Man, a.k.a. the guy who decided to drag a teenager into a battle between teams of superheroes in Captain America: Civil War and then, as we see at the beginning of Homecoming, dump him back in Queens.”
As far as mentors go, he’s so close to the bottom of the barrel you can hear his suit scraping against the wood. In fact, within the story that Homecoming lays out, Iron Man seems to do more harm than good. A Marvel movie would never conceive of painting Robert Downey Jr. in a bad light, but it sure seems like Iron Man’s the real villain here. He’s got great power, but he’s not teaching responsibility.
“First and foremost, Iron Man’s decision-making doesn’t quite add up. He gives a 15-year-old a fake “internship” at Stark Industries, which pulls him away from his school activities like band (socialization is very important for teenagers!) and encourages him to spend his time traipsing through dangerous neighborhoods fighting crime, which mostly means accosting people breaking into their own cars and occasionally helping elderly people across the street. The internship does not appear to be paid. Iron Man also gifts this teenager a suit with the power to kill other people — in a locked mode, sure, but still within his ability to access — and gives Peter enough license to incur a significant amount of property damage.”
(Peter’s actions wreck several suburban backyards, cause a bunch of cars to fall off the Staten Island Ferry, and destroy the Washington monument.) If Tony Stark gives Peter license to do all this in the name of his extraordinary abilities, we can at least agree that he has poor judgment. Also, he really likes to hit on his intern’s aunt, which is inappropriate.
“Tony Stark’s always been something of a lovable rogue, and he’s accomplished many heroic things in other films. Here, however, his actions seem more sinister when he’s dealing with children — and as it turns out, when he’s running Stark Industries, which, in Homecoming, seems to operate on the shady end of the spectrum. In the beginning of the film, we learn that the business of cleaning up the wreckage from the Avengers’ New York battles has been given over to the Department of Damage Control, which, as Darren Franich pointed out in EW, is co-financed by Tony Stark and seems like a fairly malevolent force, despite the fact that national treasure Tyne Daly is its main spokesperson. DDC forces out local contractors like Michael Keaton’s Adrian Toomes, giving it the monopoly on superhero clean-ups. This might be designed to prevent dangerous alien tech from slipping into the hands of the unready (even though Toomes and his pals manage to steal it anyway), but it also ensures that Tony Stark has a vertical monopoly on superhuman activity: The battles use Stark technology; the clean-up crews are Stark branded; the PR is managed through Pepper Potts. Stark’s superpower, after all, is that he’s smart and rich. He lives in a world with few consequences. Money solves most of his problems; his monopolies prevent him from directly answering to the public. Who is he to teach a 15-year-old personal responsibility?”
It’s unclear whether or how Stark Industries turns a profit, but its actions, as Homecoming reveals, have forced Americans out of their jobs. Case in point: Adrian Toomes, who offers the most compelling critique of Stark before he decides to become the evil Vulture. Toomes starts out in salvaging, gets forced out of his job by the Department of Damage Control, and then turns to a life of crime. As he faces off against Spider-Man, Keaton also gives the film a rare jolt of class consciousness as he tells Peter, “The rich and the powerful, like Stark, they don’t care about us.” The movie’s quick to supply examples of Toomes’s hypocrisy; as Vulture’s own Abe Riesman pointed out, he’s something akin to a monstrous vision of a Trump voter, furious at the elites of the world but unable to acknowledge his own relative privilege, as exemplified by a modernist home with way too many windows.
“The Vulture wears a bird suit, and goes from murder-curious to murderous after accidentally killing Logan Marshall-Green, but that doesn’t mean we should ignore his ideas. In the long term, Tony Stark’s actions do hurt the little guy. He’s like a Silicon Valley CEO who, after disrupting the economy with one good product, doesn’t acknowledge the evil he’s produced as a consequence. Tony Stark and his compatriots have seized control of a significant portion of the world’s power apparatus, and they are forcing out the ordinary man. Does this make Iron Man the villain? Marvel movies tend to have villains who intend to do harm, while people who cause damage unintentionally are more redeemable. (See Bucky Barnes in Winter Soldier or Civil War.) Surely, there’s enough evidence in Homecoming to see Toomes as at least a complicated figure, operating in something of a moral gray area.”
If you accept that framing, in which Iron Man’s presence is more of an obstacle to Parker’s development than an aid, Homecoming becomes much more interesting movie. Think of Shakespeare’s Henry IV, where Prince Hal must realize that Falstaff’s kind of a bumbling fool and he has to figure things on its own — except, almost tragically, because Homecoming is such a pro–Iron Man movie, Peter never has that realization. The film’s third-act battle sequence takes place over the transfer of Stark’s valuables from New York City to a new headquarters upstate; the depressing implication is that the most heroic thing Spider-Man can do is make sure Iron Man’s stuff is okay.
“The most heroic thing Spider-Man really does, however, is end up deciding not to work with Iron Man at all. At the end of the film, Peter turns down Tony’s offer to join the Avengers and decides to stay in Queens, finish high school, and defend his own turf. He does this to impress the Tony Stark he imagines, rather than the one that exists, thinking the offer was a test for his training, while in fact Tony had reporters ready for a big new Avenger announcement. Peter walks away smiling, while Tony fumbles into the idea that he’ll just propose to Pepper Potts instead. Someday, the kid might realize his hero’s not who he thought, but not yet.”
“Any more obvious and there’d be a flashing neon sign proclaiming it.”
Avengers: We all knew he was going to die ’cause of the Stone in his head
Avengers: Not even Thanos taking over the Multiverse could lead to her appearance in the MCU
Ragnarok: Thor and Hulk spend spring break on a road trip
The shutter lenses in Spider-Man’s home-made suit from Captain America: Civil War and Homecoming couldn’t have really been made by a teenager – but they served a bigger purpose in the film that made their inclusion essential.
“Along with making Peter Parker a full-on high-school student, one the biggest changes to the MCU version of the web-slinger was his suit. Spider-Man’s main costume was a high-tech product of Tony Stark, with his home-made one so rudimentary it earned him the nickname ‘underoos’. One thing shared by both versions, however, was the shutter eyes that adjusted the size of the iris based on context. How Peter developed this tech isn’t made clear in the movie and it seems wasn’t a major concern when the effect was being designed either.”
Screen Rant recently talked with Theo Bialek, visual effects supervisor on Homecoming, about his work on the home-made suit and specifically how his team approached the shutters. Bialek revealed Peter actually making these wasn’t a concern, rather their practical purpose in the story – allowing Spidey to emote with his mask on:
Screen Rant: How did you justify that being made by a teenager?
Theo Bialek: “Didn’t really [laughs]. The iris shield – I think that was one of the things that I feel that Marvel brought to us. You wanna keep your relatable and be able to emote and I think that that was the mechanism for it, regardless of the suit. Look, when he has the hood and you can’t see his face, you still want to be able to have him emote and get those laughs or the subtlty and the expression that you don’t have when he has a mask on – if you have iris-closing eye shields you can simulate that. So I think that was the prime focus of that.”
The shutter eyes are highly evocative of the early Spider-Man artwork of Steve Ditko, who would alter the size of Spidey’s eyes panel-to-panel to help convey emotion. This was a barrier in previous big screen outings for the character and somewhat played into Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield’s Peter constantly removing their mask for major sequences. Introducing the shutters, then, was not only a form of comic book homage but allowed for a more authentic, involving version of the web-head.
Of course, while Bialek says there wasn’t excess thought put into making sure the shutters had a real-life mechanism, and one that could be built by a teenager from Queens, this is Peter Parker we’re talking about. In the comics, he was able to build a high-tech suit with ease and in the MCU still has developed his own webbing, so it’s within the realm of possibility he’d be able to mock it up from all those computer parts he’s hoarding.
I thought that he could produce it naturally, he just had trouble shooting it.
“It depends on the version, like Parker growing extra arms.”
“After Spider-Man finally proves that he’s worthy of the suit Tony Stark gave him at the beginning of Homecoming, both Peter and audiences alike are introduced to a new upgraded costume that appears to be even more advanced than the first.”
Surprisingly, Parker turns this generous gift down, realizing that he must earn the right to wield such power when he’s actually ready to do so. With great power comes great — Ah, wait!
“If you’re nothing without the suit, then you shouldn’t have it.”
There it is. Anyway, while we never see this new suit in action or even hear it being described as such, the golden tints strongly suggest that this was in fact the Iron Spider Armor from Marvel Comics.
“Debuting in Amazing Spider-Man #529, the Iron Spider Armor was originally a gift from Tony which was infused with Stark tech and an Iron Man-inspired design. Just like in Homecoming, Stark openly began to criticize Spider-Man around the time of Civil War, until Peter eventually ditched the Iron Spider Armor in favor of his traditional suit.”
Given that this arc is remarkably similar to the plot of Homecoming, it’s not much of a stretch to imagine that this gold, technologically advanced suit is in fact the MCU’s version of the Iron Spider Armor. The only thing missing is the extendable spider-like appendages, but these may have just been hidden within the suit for now as the costume was left inactive in a glass case.
If you thought that Spider-Man’s new suit in Homecoming was advanced, you’ll be left crawling the walls with excitement at what the Iron Spider Armor can do. Alongside the enhanced lenses and gliding capabilities of the traditional suit, the Iron Spider Armor also possesses a number of other surprising capabilities including:
Constituent Costume Containment: Parts of the suit can detach themselves to contain dangerous or explosive objects.
Repair Layer: The armor can repair itself and even administer limited first aid to both Spider-Man and others in the vicinity.
Antenna: Not only does this allow Parker to control the suit at the speed of thought, but the antenna can also pick up various emergency broadcasts including the police and fire departments.
Light Emitting Plastic Layer: This allows Spider-Man to actively change the color and style of the suit in order to camouflage himself against various surfaces during stealth-based missions.
“If the extendable spider-arms or ‘Waldoes’ do eventually appear in the #MCU, then it’s worth noting that they can see around corners thanks to cameras located in the tip of each ‘arm’. Of course, they’re also invaluable in a fight, much like the tentacles wielded by Doctor Octopus, Spider-Man’s nemesis.”
The tech contained in this Iron Spider suit is clearly too advanced for the MCU’s Spider-Man to wear just yet, but don’t be surprised if we see this fan favorite costume return at a later date, possibly even in Avengers: Infinity War. After all, Earth’s Mightiest Heroes will need all of the extra firepower that they can lay their hands on. If Iron Man has a more powerful Spider-Man outfit stored away in Avengers HQ, then it wouldn’t make any sense to just leave it lying around when Thanos arrives with the power of the Infinity Stones.
(Side note: I have much to discuss about Thanos, but that will have to wait till I’m through with Homecoming.)
“Failing that, we’re almost certain to see the Iron Spider Armor in the upcoming #SpiderMan sequel instead. Given that the last suit represented Parker’s journey towards adulthood and responsibility, it’s likely that Spider-Man will continue to develop as a character, mastering the capabilities of Stark’s first suit in time to receive an upgrade by the film’s end.”
Then again, Marvel may just throw the whole kitchen sink at the wallcrawler and add even more Spider-Man suits by the time that Avengers: Infinity War swings around. Between Thanos and a potential threat from the Sinister Six, Spidey better take some time out from ogling Liz Allan and finally master the hundreds of web shooter combinations that will be at his disposal.
“Spider-Man: Homecoming opens in the aftermath of the alien invasion that almost destroyed New York City in The Avengers, providing our first callback to these events since Luke Cage. Among the wreckage surrounding Avengers Tower, eagle-eyed fans may have spotted a Chitauri Leviathan whose face falls off in the background. Sure, this could just be a reference to Marvel’s first team-up movie, but we wouldn’t be surprised if this is the same creature that the Hulk and Iron Man defeated after punching it directly in the face.”
“It was quite a face-off.”
“The ******** who made this mess are getting paid to clean it up.”
Adrian Toomes and his clean-up crew are intercepted by Damage Control, an agency who work to repair the city after various superhero battles destroy it. While the organization has been around in Marvel Comics since 1988, Tony Stark’s comic book equivalent originally shared Damage Control with Wilson Fisk, otherwise known as the Kingpin. Unfortunately, Daredevil’s archenemy is nowhere to be seen in Spider-Man: Homecoming.
(Some Daredevil things I’d like to talk about, but we should get through Homecoming first.)
“Spiderman, Spiderman, does whatever a spider can…
Continuing a longstanding tradition, Spider-Man: Homecoming features composer Michael Giacchino’s reworked version of the original theme tune from the ’60s cartoon. Following his musical offerings on #DoctorStrange, Marvel’s new favorite composer nails the spirit of the original song while updating it for modern audiences.”
Spins a web, any size,
Catches thieves just like flies
Here comes the Spider-Man.
“Is he strong?
He’s got radioactive blood.
Can he swing from a thread
Take a look overhead
There goes the Spider-Man.”
“In the chill of night
At the scene of a crime
Like a streak of light
He arrives just in time.”
Friendly neighborhood Spider-Man
“Wealth and fame
Action is his reward.”
To him, life is a great big **** up
Wherever there’s a hang up
You’ll find the Spider-Man.
It’s funny, Spirit, how I don’t run out of Marvel stuff to talk about, yet if someone asked if I was a big fan, I would say something along the lines of, ‘Yeah, I like it, kind of casually.’
“We tend to forget to introduce ourselves. There’s two of us. I’m SJ and this is Ursiah.”
“It’s interesting how we can carry on this long of a conversation without doing that prior. I wonder, though, where did the Rhieb guess come from?”
One reason I don’t say what comes first to mind is because I’d receive even more stares than I do (and get in trouble more).
Most of those stares due to being the only one knowing about certain things and no one else understanding the connections between topics.
But this post isn’t about a pity party- it’s about Marvel!
Our first introduction to the titular arachnid recaps the events of #CaptainAmericaCivilWar from Spider-Man’s perspective. Filmed on Parker’s smartphone, the footage reveals how Peter was led to believe that Captain America was “going crazy,” which is why he had to intervene.
“Sure, he isn’t paid to take selfies yet, but he may be a YouTuber.”
“In Civil War and Homecoming we see lots of videos with Spider-Man in them and people call him ‘The Spider-Man from YouTube.'”
There’s a scene where someone asks why he made a short film, and he answered “Because it’s fun.”
“Perhaps he has a channel called The Spider-Man where he posts the latest footage of his escapes and has subscribers. Otherwise, in a world with countless vigilantes, how could he consistently be trending without a specific channel?”
“In our first visit to Peter’s high school, we couldn’t help but notice a girl with striking white tresses walking behind Peter in the hallway. While this student never speaks and doesn’t seem to appear again, it’s worth noting that in the comics Spider-Man dated a white-haired woman named Felicia Hardy.”
Although she’s set to star in her spinoff, Silver & Black, this could well be our first glimpse of Black Cat in live action. It’s probably a coincidence, but how many high school girls do you see with white hair?
“As with the surprising revelation that a Venom spinoff was back on at Sony Pictures, the studio is still making the best of their Spider-Man license. A Black Cat and Silver Sable movie – titled Silver & Black – spun-off from the web-head franchise is also in development.
This project has apparently been long in the works, predating the deal that ended The Amazing Spider-Man franchise and led to Tom Holland getting to wear the tights in this summer’s forthcoming Spider-Man: Homecoming.”
Apparently the title previously known simply as “secret female spinoff project,” the movie is intended to flesh out the Black Cat and Silver Sable characters from the Spidey pantheon. Originally Felicity Jones played Black Cat’s alter-ego, Felicia Hardy, in 2014’s The Amazing Spider-Man 2, however it’d be likely recast here.
The film is being produced by frequent Spider-Man stalwarts Amy Pascal and Matt Tolmach, although intriguingly Avi Arad is not listed as attached. Further, it is ambiguous whether it is related at all to Spider-Man: Homecoming and the greater MCU. According to THR, the project is not an “offshoot” of Spider-Man: Homecoming, but based on the larger “Spider-Man universe” that Sony has the rights to. However, just because it isn’t directly linked to Homecoming does not necessarily mean it is not in the same “Spider-Man universe.”
“Gina Prince-Bythewood steps into the director’s chair for Silver & Black. She will work off a script by Christopher Yost. Prince-Bythewood has been behind the camera for dramatic films such as 2014’s Beyond the Lights, 2008’s The Secret Life of Bees and 2000’s Love & Basketball, along with television work on series such as the current Fox crime drama Shots Fired along with sitcoms.”
Relevant to the Marvel Cinematic Universe (extended and otherwise), Prince-Bythewood has written the pilot for Freeform’s Cloak & Dagger television series, which is set to debut sometime in 2018.
Yost is an interesting choice to pen the film as well, as in addition to working on the screenplays for Marvel Studios’ Thor: The Dark World and The Incredible Hulk, he has had a history with Marvel’s mythos when he acted as showrunner for X-Men: Evolution wherein he created the character of X-23/Laura Kinney… the breakout star of this month’s Logan, as played by Dafne Keen.
“According to That Hashtag Show, the film will feature Dominic Fortune, a character who was all set to star in an Agents of SHIELD TV spinoff that never happened.” “Fortune has long been part of Silver Sable’s comic book world, and That Hashtag Show describes the movie version as a Department of Justice employee helping Sable in her hunt for Felicia “Black Cat” Hardy. They have some other details as well, including the inclusion of supporting characters from Sable’s ’90s series Silver Sable & The Wild Pack, like Agents Powell and Klein and new character Agent Mark Sim.”
“Sony will let this one loose in theaters on February 8, 2019.”
Black Cat was created by Marv Wolfman and Keith Pollard in The Amazing Spider-Man #194 (1979). She is the daughter of a famous (and famously incarcerated) cat burglar whom she inherits a knack for acrobatics and flexible morals. She breaks him out of prison while he’s on his deathbed, and also reveals herself to be something of a Spider-Man fangirl, seducing the wallcrawler when he tries to take her old man back to prison.
“Possibly influenced by the Catwoman character at DC—although Marvel continues to strongly deny this—Felicia Hardy developed a unique role in Spidey mythos by becoming Spider-Man’s partner, sidekick, lover, and confidant, knowing his identity and still working with him as his closest costumed associate after he married Mary Jane Watson (awkward).”
Silver Sable is also known for her somewhat amorous lifestyle as a mercenary and bounty hunter. She was created in 1985’s The Amazing Spider-Man #265 by Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz. Sometimes an ally to Spider-Man and other times an adversary due to her violent, merciless tactics, Silver Sable distinguishes herself in comic book stories filled with soldiers of fortune due to the fact that she is the CEO of the successful Silver Sable International corporation, a “security” firm that is the financial backbone of Marvel’s fictional country, Symkaria.
From the sound of those character descriptions, this movie will be about Silver Sable and her crew hunting down jewel thief Black Cat, but don’t be surprised if they end up teaming up by the end.
“During chemistry class, Parker continues to experiment with the web fluid that he’s invented. Bottles containing the solution are marked Version 3.0, which literally refers to how many iterations of Spider-Man have used webbing on the silver screen. While the first incarnation changed Parker’s abilities, granting him the power to create his own webbing organically, this third version stays truer to the comics, reimagining his webbing as artificial.”
In Spider-Man 2, there’s a moment when Mary Jane Watson tells Parker:
“Go get ’em, tiger!”
This time around, director Jon Watts approached this classic line from the comics in a different way, instead using the catchphrase as part of the banners that adorn the school’s hallways leading up to homecoming. Even though there’s no Mary Jane in Spidey’s latest film — well, sort of — her voice can still be heard in this subtle reference. As if that wasn’t enough, a tiger mascot can also be seen running around frantically in the background during these key moments.
“Spider-Man movies always crowbar in a scene where Parker stands in front of the American flag in full costume and Homecoming is no different. However, Marvel veers away from blasting orchestral music to capitalise on this patriotic moment, instead cutting quick to people on the ground who interrupt Spider-Man before he can properly pose.”
After Spider-Man accidentally sets off an annoyingly loud car alarm, Stan Lee makes his 38th Marvel cameo, shouting;
“Don’t ************ down there, you punk!”
While this may have less impact in the MCU than his cameo in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, is he playing the Watcher’s Informant again, or someone else entirely?
He was relatively easy to spot in Ant-Man and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Or a at nightclub in Deadpool (not that I watched the film)
When some people see other characters break the fourth wall: ‘Hey, you’re copying Deadpool!’
She-Hulk: *rolls eyes*
Considering how successful the Hulk has been over the years, it’d stand to reason Marvel would want to expand the character’s reach with some supporting players anyway. But it actually took the threat of losing the potential rights to a female Hulk character that pushed the publisher into actually making it happen. With the Incredible Hulk TV series blowing up ratings-wise in the late 1970s and early 1980s, Marvel started to worry CBS might try to spin off a female-led series (in the same vein as Bionic Woman and the Six Million Dollar Man). In order to retain control, Marvel beat them to the punch and created She-Hulk before a female Hulk TV series or TV movie could go into development (which, ironically enough, never actually happened).
“Though she’s currently holding down a roster spot among Marvel’s A-Force (and has been a member of the Avengers in the past), She-Hulk has been a member of several different teams over the years. One of the most interesting? The Fantastic Four. Though Marvel’s First Family is typically comprised of Mister Fantastic, the Human Torch, Invisible Woman, and the Thing, the superhero foursome has often featured temporary members along the way. In the 1980s, She-Hulk joined the roster as the resident strongman (or woman) when the Thing decided to stay on Battleworld for a while in the wake of Marvel’s first Secret Wars event. The Fantastic Four had a roster spot to fill, so they tapped She-Hulk, who did an excellent job holding down the fort in his absence starting with Fantastic Four #265.”
“Even after that first stint came to an end, she eventually worked with the Future Foundation and teamed up more than a few times with the Four—most recently in the Fantastic Four spinoff FF, which found her working alongside Medusa and Scott Lang, a.k.a. Ant-Man, during the main team’s absence.”
“John Byrne’s Sensational She-Hulk series was never afraid to try out some new and interesting things, and the title’s acclaimed 1980s run is known for establishing much of the personality and look fans have come to love about Jennifer Walters. Since she works as an attorney, Sensational She-Hulk cast the green superheroine as a fashion icon of sorts. When she wasn’t out busting up super villains, she was wearing stylish dresses and pantsuits or classic 1980s garb stylish for the era—a character trait that’s continued through subsequent iterations of the character.”
“Marvel didn’t stray too far from the Hulk canon when introducing Jennifer Walters. The story goes like this: Bruce Banner’s cousin, she was introduced to readers after being targeted by a crime boss and mortally wounded. There were no blood donors of her type available to save her except for Bruce, so he stepped up. Surprise, surprise: She started exhibiting Hulk-like power and eventually permanently turned green. Her transformation was complete when the mobsters come back to finish the job and she took them out in a fit of rage (unlocking the Hulk DNA). But she’s definitely not just a female Hulk clone.”
“Though she inherited the same Hulk strength as Bruce Banner, the gamma effects aren’t as strong for Jennifer, so she doesn’t have so much of that blind, Hulk-like rage (her initial transformation notwithstanding) that contributed to so many of the problems Bruce faced over the years.”
One of She-Hulk’s key traits is her legal prowess, which was a rare approach for a female character in the early 1980s. Jennifer Walters has always been one of Marvel’s strongest and most confident heroes. But who knew those legal skills would lead to a universe-hopping career?
“She-Hulk was employed by the Magistrati to serve in the Star Chamber to assist the group with judging cases across the universe. She took on some world-shattering cases along the way, and even defended the existence of the mainstream Marvel 616 universe against being replaced by the Ultimate Universe. Thankfully for mainstream Marvel readers, She-Hulk is one heck of an attorney, and won the case. Of course, it all ended up being moot when the Ultimate Universe ended up being obliterated as part of the 2015-’16 Secret Wars event. Hey, comics are complicated.
They’re the two most prominent lawyers in the Marvel Universe, and it’s crazy to think it took until 2014 for She-Hulk and Daredevil to finally face off in the courtroom. The two met in a case involving Steve Rogers, a.k.a. Captain America—who had lost his youth and super-soldier abilities at that point. Writer Charles Soule managed the tricky feat of balancing the dueling attorneys’ abilities and resolving the story in a satisfying way, all while offering a fine setup for a spinoff of Netflix’s Daredevil series that would focus solely on She-Hulk and Daredevil taking care of business in the courtroom. Maybe next season?
How many female supers have we seen there so far besides Scarlet Witch and Black Widow?
Honey Lemon and Gogo – not that they’re actually part of the MCU?
Unless Disney decides to do a Marvel “Who Framed Roger Rabbit?”
What did you say on Darkfire’s post that you hoped no one saw
Then I decided to be an idiot and post about what I did in my activity
If I really wanted to keep it secret I could have talked about it on that one post of yours that Darkfire was the only other member to comment on.
“One of the most interesting alternate realities in the Marvel canon is Earth-65, the alt-New York City that Spider-Gwen calls home. Her series is a ton of fun for a number of reasons, introducing everything from a black female Captain America to a version of the Punisher who’s a shady cop. But that reality also has its own version of She-Hulk—and she’s a pro wrestler. Gwen almost fights She-Hulk (in a nod to the classic Spider-Man story where Peter Parker enters the ring after gaining his spider-strength) but is derailed to stop a crime. Later on, she has a dream sequence in which she teams up with She-Hulk, which is awesome. All’s well that ends well.”
“It’s always fun to see genre alums pop up in interesting voice roles, and the Disney XD series Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H. turned to one heck of a fan favorite when it came time to cast She-Hulk. Buffy the Vampire Slayer vet Eliza Dushku (Faith) was tapped to voice Jennifer Walters in the series and apparently had a pretty good time with the gig—she enjoyed it so much, she told ComicBook.com she’d be open to actually playing the character on the big (or small) screen if the opportunity came up. If that Netflix idea ever comes to pass, we know just who to call.”
“David Goyer is well acquainted with the DC universe after writing Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, but he got himself into hot water with some comments about She-Hulk in 2014. Goyer was asked about the character while guesting on the Scriptnotes podcast and responded, ‘She-Hulk was the extension of the male power fantasy. So it’s like if I’m going to be this geek who becomes the Hulk, then let’s create a giant green **** star that only the Hulk could f—.'”
“Unsurprisingly, Goyer’s comments were not well received. Fans fired back, pointing out she’s actually the Hulk’s cousin (making a ****** relationship pretty gross) and has a long history of being a strong and independent female character.”
Goyer obviously didn’t have much background knowledge, and even Stan Lee got involved in the response, telling the Washington Post they “never for an instant” conceived her as a love interest for Hulk, and arguing, “only a nut would even think of that.”
“Fair point, Stan. Fair point.”
Marvel has announced She-Hulk will take over the mainline Hulk title, and the story is described as a psychological journey in which Jennifer has to come to terms with Bruce’s death and all the baggage being “the Hulk” can carry. Marvel editor-in-chief Axel Alonso described the project to the A.V. Club, saying, “Jen went through major trauma in Civil War II, and [the] story will deal with the fallout of that trauma—the anxiety and anger, sometimes self-destructive, that comes along with it. If there is light at the end of the tunnel, Jen is going to have to search hard for it, and she’s going to have to battle with some pretty big monsters—including the one within—to find herself again.”
“Remember how the first Homecoming trailer showed Peter fighting bank robbers who were wearing Avengers masks? Not only does the familiar look of each mask combine the MCU and Marvel’s comic book heritage in ways never before seen on screen, but there’s also a moment when Spider-Man forces “Thor” to punch “Hulk,” reminding us of their numerous battles over the years, both on page and on screen.”
Although some sections of the film were shot in Atlanta, enough scenes took place in Queens to remind us that New York City is integral to the character of Spider-Man. From his local sandwich place to the skyscrapers that he swings from, Parker will always be the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man of NYC.
“The final confrontation arises when the Vulture attempts to steal technology from the Avengers as they move from Manhattan to upstate New York. Not only does this tie Homecoming directly to our first glimpse of the new HQ in Civil War, but mention is also made of a variety of equipment, including Captain America’s new shield, Iron Man’s Hulkbuster armor and Thor’s strength-enhancing belt Megingjord.”
Among the kind of graffiti one might see in Spider-Man’s NYC, one name stands out more than most — and that’s Bagley, which undoubtedly refers to the famed comic book artist Mark Bagley. Not only did Bagley work on Spider-Man during some classic storylines from the ’90s — including “Maximum Carnage” and “Clone Saga” — but he also teamed up with writer Brian Michael Bendis on the rebooted series Ultimate Spider-Man. Together, their partnership lasted for 111 issues.
While Ned continues to needle Peter in class about his secret identity, a teacher can be heard in the background, droning on about the Sokovia Accords. This law played an integral role in Captain America: Civil War, regulating the use of superpowers by the government, but it’s surprising that this would have become part of the curriculum so quickly.
In 2013, the last update of the assigned history book was 2007? Maybe earlier?
“Despite the events of Civil War, schools continue to use educational videos in the classroom that feature Captain America.”
As one teacher puts it:
“I’m pretty sure he’s a war criminal now.”
“Still, it’s great for old-school MCU fans to see Cap suit up in his old attire once again. Reference is also made to his hiatus between Captain America: The First Avenger and Winter Soldier:
‘Take it from a guy who’s been frozen for 65 years.'”
“Speaking of Captain America, there’s a surprising Easter Egg that references The First Avenger in the background of Principal Morita’s office. Actor Kenneth Choi first appeared in the MCU as Private Jim Morita, a member of the Howling Commandos, but died some time later. Surprisingly though, an old picture of Jim propped up behind the Principal suggests that the two characters that Choi has played are in fact directly related in some way.”
After a considerably lengthy wait, #CaptainAmerica finally arrives in the film’s second post-credits scene to discuss… patience. That’s right — Anyone expecting to see links to Avengers: Infinity War may be disappointed to learn that Cap reprises his public service announcement videos from earlier in the film to parody the very notion of post-credit scenes;
“Hi. I’m here to talk to you about patience… Sometimes it seems like it’s not worth it. You wonder why you waited so long for something so disappointing…”
Although this may not have been what fans were expecting, it’s hard to deny that Watts has made a bold move here, hilariously subverting Marvel’s need to force people to sit through the credits for just the smallest glimpse of what’s to come next.
“One of the ways in which Homecoming reboots Spider-Man without retreading old ground is to eschew the death of Uncle Ben in its entirety. The only reminders we have of this tragic backstory is during a scene where Peter begs best friend Ned to keep his identity a secret from Aunt May, as he’s worried what the stress may do to her.
‘With everything that’s happened to her…'”
“This way, Marvel managed to retain a key motivation for Peter’s character without boring audiences with yet another speech about responsibility.”
Ned asks whether Peter can lay eggs or summon an army of spiders, undoubtedly a reference to Ant-Man. The most interesting question of all though provides diehard fans with a potential reference to the upcoming spin-off Venom;
“Can you spit Venom?”
Sure, this doesn’t mean that a crossover between Spider-Man and Venom is on between Spider-Man and Venom is on its way, but fans will surely sit up and take notice when the name of the symbiote is mentioned, even in passing.
During gym class, some of the girls play F**k, marry, kill, and to be honest, their choices make total sense;
F — Thor
M — Iron Man
K — Hulk
However, Liz Allan then surprises her friends by bringing Spider-Man into the conversation, which gives Peter some hope. As Ned says;
“You’re an Avenger. If anyone has a chance with a senior girl, it’s you.”
“In contrast, Flash Thompson can only dream of having a chance with one of the Avengers, even if he did joke that he has a hot date with Black Widow lined up.”
“As if the school banners reading ‘Totally ’80s Homecoming’ weren’t obvious enough, Watts makes more ’80s references in his bid to create a modern-day John Hughes superhero movie. Most obvious of all is a cut between Spider-Man running through hedges and Ferris Bueller on a TV screen at school doing the exact same thing.”
“While practicing for the competition in Washington, one of the questions asked on the bus mentions a mysterious substance called vibranium. The fictional metal has been a mainstay in Marvel Comics, most notably associated with the superhero Black Panther, whose kingdom, Wakanda, has the largest supply of it. The nearly indestructible metal was also used to help create Ultron’s refurbished body.”
“After the news broke that Jennifer Connelly would be appearing in Spider-Man: Homecoming, fans wondered who she would be playing. Now that we’ve seen the film, we can confirm that Connelly doesn’t appear in the flesh — rather, she serves as the voice of Spider-Man’s spider-suit A.I., which he affectionately names Karen. Coincidentally, Connelly’s real-life husband Paul Bettany voices Tony Stark’s A.I. J.A.R.V.I.S.”
“After Spider-Man rescues Liz, Karen tells Peter that this is now his perfect chance to kiss her. However, before he can reenact that memorable upside-down kiss from the first Spider-Man film, Peter’s webbing loses its grip and he plummets down the elevator shaft.”
“While we already knew from the trailers that the Vulture was harvesting Chitauri technology, what we didn’t know is that one of the robotic arms recovered from Ultron’s attack on Sokovia was used as the basis for The Shocker’s weaponry, creating a direct link between Avengers: Age of Ultron and Spider-Man: Homecoming.”
“Furthermore, the gauntlet itself was previously used by Crossbones during the opening scene of Captain America: Civil War.”
“Happy mentions briefly that the Triskellion is still being cleared up. This building served as the primary headquarters for S.H.I.E.L.D. before it was heavily damaged during the final scenes of Captain America: Winter Soldier. Damage Control really needs to up their game, it seems.”
“During the Washington Monument sequence, there are a number of callbacks to the comics, including the underarm webbing that we first saw in Spidey’s first ever appearance, hostility from the police who don’t understand out beloved webcrawler and Liz Allan’s rescue, which almost ended the same tragic way as Gwen Stacy’s.”
“Fortunately Parker managed to web Liz’s hand, rather than her neck, so no high school girls were lost during the making of that scene.”
At one point I had a tendency to carry my stuffed animals by the neck
During a news recap of the events that took place at the Washington Monument, a banner scrolls across the screen, featuring the headline:
“Man Spider Climbs Monument.”
“While it must have been disappointing for Parker to see his name wrong on screen, this serves as a reference to the Man-Spider, a mutated form of Spidey from the comics who was particularly prominent in the ’90s animated series.”
“Jason Ionello plays a small role in Spider-Man: Homecoming, appearing onscreen as one of the school’s teenage anchors, but it’s still surprising to see him here at all, as the guy plays an even smaller part in the comics, picking on Peter occasionally alongside Flash Thompson.”
“Aaron Davis only appears here briefly, helping Spider-Man track down the Vulture, but his presence in Homecoming may have two huge ramifications later down the line. One, Donald Glover’s character could return as the Prowler, a vigilante who recently became popular in Ultimate Spider-Man.”
Two, reference to his nephew suggests that Miles Morales is in fact part of the MCU, which means he could also eventually become Spider-Man, just like his comic book counterpart.
There’s a Man-Bat, a Man-Spider, maybe there’s a Man-Ant crawling around..
“Sure, Black Widow couldn’t physically do that…”
“If it was one of Hank Pym’s she could do it.”
You can’t really expect someone to be all cheery when they have to deal with **** everyday
“Jessica lives her life experiencing the worst that humanity has to offer: whether it’s dealing with scumbags, crooks, and cheaters as part of her job as a private investigator for Alias Investigations, or escaping the predatory clutches of the Purple Man, she’s exposed to some real trash. Diana, on the other hand, is yet to see the kind of **** that Jessica takes in her stride.”
“Go on, it’s not like she’s going to eat you.”
Post-interviewing: *Quark, when did I get so calm?*
Thanks to writer Gail Simone, we were treated to this Themysciran saying that elegantly sums up everything about Wonder Woman: “Don’t kill if you can wound, don’t wound if you can subdue, don’t subdue if you can pacify, and don’t raise your hand at all until you’ve first extended it”.
As a mantra, it’s pretty brilliant. As an encapsulation of everything that makes Diana such a unique character, it’s perfect. Wonder Woman works best when she’s a hopeful character, working for peace for all mankind. When push comes to shove though, we all know she can defend herself, which is why this meme works so well. It’s not her first choice, but if provoked she can and will punch you in the face. As such, the mantra in this meme sits side by side with the one above, proving that there’s nothing Diana can’t achieve.
“Not that she needs protecting from any haters, but we have a feeling that her hopeful attitude towards humanity and her need to be its defender — abandoning her own people for her righteous cause no less — would take a severe knock if she spent more than a half hour on Twitter.”
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